Yeah, there's reasons that it's happened.
I'm not saying that we've been lazy, but
I'm saying it appears
to all external sources
that we've been lazy.
Yeah.
Well, there's also the kind of thing like
I'm feeling a bit,
you know, nervous about
the fact that we are coming up on the end
of like, you know, the season one.
Yeah.
The end of all the, all the time travel
backwards episodes where
this is like the delineated
endpoint before we like, if we continue
the way we've been going,
we become a, an enterprise
podcast for the next while.
And like, I mean, it's an arbitrary line.
The line must be drawn here.
Speaking of speaking, no further.
Sorry.
Speaking of which this is a podcast.
Oh, this is a podcast.
We haven't done the intro yet.
That has a name.
Hi.
Welcome to "How Much
for Just the Podcast?"
I'm Damo. And I'm Mick.
How are we doing?
Anyway, this episode of How Much for Just
the Podcast, we're doing another movie!
Another movie?
First Contact.
We're doing Star Trek First Contact,
which is the tenth, eighth movie.
The eighth.
I don't know.
Does it really matter?
No, not really.
It's the one after Generations.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure it's the
eighth, because Nemesis was ten.
Yeah.
Because there was ten
of the original lot.
Yes.
And there's two after
this one of the original lot.
Yes.
And in terms of the timeline, like, yeah,
because the most recent...
This is the thing that came up, like,
yeah, the midpoint,
Nemesis being the last of the
ten, is the midpoint between Star Trek
The Motion Picture and Section 31.
Yeah.
I don't like that.
There's as much time between Section 31
and Nemesis as there is
between Nemesis and Star
Trek The Motion Picture.
Mm-hmm.
How far we've come.
Yeah.
I've already forgotten more about Section
31 than I have of Nemesis.
And Nemesis was
pretty fucking forgettable.
Aside from Tom Hardy, the movie that
nearly broke Tom Hardy
that made him descend into
drug addiction and
fucking terrible things.
And then he turned it all around and he's
fine now, but also he did not have a good
time on that movie.
Oh, yeah.
But, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I don't think we have...
No, what else?
So we may or may not have released an
episode before this.
Yes.
We may have done One Small Step last
episode, which is the Voyager one.
But it's because, like,
our rules are arbitrary.
We know this.
Our rules are imposed by us and us alone.
But according to our rules, the main
action of the episode
needs to take place in the
time period that it's set.
Yeah.
One Small Step.
No, on time travels, it's just shown
through flashbacks to an old
mate who's been in everything.
And the concept we have for it is to
watch it with someone
who's never watched any of
Star Trek.
Exactly.
So that is the plan or was the plan or
will be the plan or...
Depending on availability.
... last week or depending on...
Well, we could just do First Contact and
then we could just, like,
do a season of just going
off on wild tangents and
that could be one of them.
Yeah, yeah.
We could.
We did mention of maybe doing a special
episode where we watch TekWar.
Yeah.
Which is all on...
It's all on YouTube.
The whole miniseries is on YouTube.
Like nobody's bothering
to fucking copyright it.
Nobody's bothering to
put down, like, the DMCA ...
Yeah.
You know the...
Yeah, the content claim thing.
The content claim.
Yeah, no one has claimed that content.
No one has stepped up and said, "I'm
responsible for that."
Maybe Shatner's just not
online enough for that.
He does seem to be though.
He's very online.
He's so online.
It's ridiculous.
He tweets...
Well, he definitely tweets more than I do
because, you know...
Ugh.
What a silly man.
I mean, he's in his 90s.
Fair enough.
Like, you're allowed
to go a bit fucking...
But he's been like this forever.
Oh, yeah.
But at this point, I'm worried that he
might outlive Patrick Stewart.
Yeah, possibly.
Yeah.
Yeah, very much.
But he is at this point now where the
current president of the
United States was a while
ago.
Like, he's tweeted...
Like, a while ago, the current president
of the United States was
tweeting at Robert Pattinson
about not getting back
together with Kirsten Stewart.
That's the thing the president of the
United States did, was
tweeting at a celebrity that
he didn't know about another celebrity,
that he didn't know about
their relationship, that
he knew nothing about, and then they
elected him president.
What the fuck world are we living...
Anyway, I'm not going to get into that.
No.
But that's basically where
Shatner is at the moment.
He's just tweeting random shit about
fucking Sailor Moon
and just strange stuff.
Well, honestly, I think we'd probably be
better off if he was the president.
Probably?
Yeah.
He's Canadian, so he
can't be US president.
Well, I'm sure they could
change the constitution.
Probably.
Yeah.
I mean, like...
What is the
constitution at this point anyway?
Well, I mean, let's just have a united,
you know, Earth
Federation, and he can be president
of that.
Sure.
Let's do that.
Why not?
Yeah.
Good lord.
So, first contact, eh?
Let's segue into the movie we're supposed
to be talking about.
I nearly didn't have to watch this one,
because this is probably
the Star Trek movie I've
seen the most.
Right.
I...
It's still...
Most of it's embedded in my brain.
Like, I can talk along
to the lines with it.
Okay.
I'm not that bad.
Like, I remember watching it in the
cinema when it came out.
I remember being very excited to go and
see it in the cinema.
I was very excited to see it at the
cinema, because the cinema
in Horsham had the purpose
of showing the poster up, and I was
waiting for it to come
out, waiting for it to come
out, and then they just
didn't fucking show it.
They had the poster, but they didn't
fucking bother showing it.
It really pissed me off.
That was probably the last straw.
Oh no.
The very last straw.
So that was when I was a kid.
That was 1996 or so.
First Contact was 1996, wasn't it?
I think.
Anyway.
So that was when I was a kid.
When I was older, and I moved back to
Horsham, and Horsham was
the nearest cinema, I gave
them another chance.
And, like, you know, was going to the
movies every now and again.
I'd see the Harry Potter or fucking Lord
of the Rings or whatever was coming out.
But the very final straw for me with the
Horsham cinemas that
made me never go back, and I
never will go back to them, was 2008.
I was, being a fucking comic book fan, I
was very excited for
the Iron Man movie to come
out, the first Iron Man movie, and they
didn't fucking show it.
The biggest movie of the year, the one
that started the Marvel
Cinematic Universe, didn't
fucking bother putting it on, because no
one likes comic book movies.
Fucking...
Fuck Horsham cinemas.
They really aren't on
the pulse, are they?
No.
They don't know what's going on.
They have no fucking idea.
That's what pissed me off so much, is
like, their job is movie.
Their job is know what
movie, come out and show movie.
That's the only thing that they do.
I had the exact opposite, with my
childhood cinema, because
I grew up in Belgrave, so
we had the Belgrave Cameo.
I grew up in a town where I could walk to
a cinema, which back in
that era wasn't necessarily
given.
I never realised how fortunate that was,
but I always knew what
was coming, because I could
walk past the cinema and
see the posters like you did.
I remember seeing the poster for Return
of the Jedi, because I
was 12 years old when
that came out.
I was peak, you know, in the end.
That was the era.
In my awareness, I absorbed everything.
I remember saying, because the poster had
the incomplete Death Star with the little
chunks down.
I was like, "Oh, wow!"
So it didn't blow up in the first one, it
just got really damaged.
This is what's left of the first one.
The person at the ticket booth said, "No,
they've built another one."
From that moment, I assumed that the
person at the ticket
booth just knew everything.
Knew everything about these.
Knew everything about every movie coming
out, just knew all of
the lore about everything.
Why did this happen in fucking...
Yeah, Silence the Lambs.
I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, if I worked at
a cinema, that would be me.
I would, because that's me now.
That's what I am now.
But yeah, no.
So I had my bar set very high.
Yeah, yeah.
At the very beginning, yeah.
You were spoiled,
whereas I was fucking...
You fuck Horsham Cinemas.
Horsham Cinemas.
It was just...
Like, the worst thing is, like...
Because I did...
I kind of want to go to
Horsham Cinemas with you.
Not just see movies.
As a return.
No, no, we don't do that.
We just take some
science and some placards.
We just stand on front and protest.
Show Iron Man.
Fucking 2008 movie.
You promised us the thing you didn't.
I don't even...
It's got to be still open.
I did have some...
There was one...
I think it was like...
It might have been like the
second Matrix movie there.
I went and saw that, and I was the one
person in the cinema.
Like, it was one of those experiences.
But then, like, I've seen other movies
where, like, it's
halfway through the movie.
Like, the image just goes halfway up the
fucking curtain, and nobody
fixes it for about 15 minutes.
Until someone looks at the screen and
then just adjusts the fucking focus ball.
They're terrible.
But, yeah.
I think something similar
happened to Eris recently.
I still don't know why they went...
Eris went to see Deadpool at the Sun
Theatre in Yarraville.
The first one.
I can't remember if it was the first one.
Eris doesn't usually go to movies.
I don't know why they were doing this.
But anyway, it was just
like going to see Deadpool.
And then the cinema
just broke halfway through.
And they gave everyone a free ticket to
come back and see it
another time, and Eris never did.
So, I think one of the Deadpool movies...
One of the Deadpool
movies Eris has seen half of.
Right, of course.
Well, going back to First Contact, the
first time I did see it...
I forget where we were
going, but we were on a holiday...
Like a family holiday, and we were
staying in a hotel room.
And this is back in the days where, like,
the pay TV that you'd have on the hotel
room was just like...
One movie, or like...
They'd play this movie for eight hours,
and then they'd pay another movie for
eight hours, and like that sort of thing.
So, my first experience of First Contact
was coming in halfway through the movie.
And just going, "Oh, Star Trek's on the
TV. I want to watch this."
It was on like a little
fucking 20-inch hotel television.
And so, like, I watched the last half,
watched through the
credits, and then it started again.
And Mum and Dad just gone, "You've just
watched it. You've just watched it."
I watched the fucking second half. I
didn't see the first half.
Now I want to watch the first...
Anyway, so it played on a loop for the,
basically, entire time
we were at that hotel.
I don't know if it was like...
You're still there to this day.
I'm still there to this day.
And that's the story.
No.
So, yeah, like the first time I watched
the movie, I kind of watched it twice.
And then, like, I've
watched it a bunch of times since.
And it was at the...
It was at the time where, like, my brain
was just absorbing bullshit.
That's why the script is
basically in my brain constantly.
Like, it's somewhere in a dusty box at
the back, buried under, like,
empty beer cans and bullshit.
But the script for
the movie, the whole...
Every line, every fucking beat, every
fucking shot is stuck in my brain
somewhere that I nearly didn't have to
watch the movie again.
But I did, because I'm a professional.
Well, in my professional...
My bout of
professionalism was like, I just...
Well, let's start with the set-up.
Somehow, I ended up with the entirety of
Star Trek The Next
Generation on VHS in my head.
Who would have done
something silly like that?
What sort of silly person would give
someone a VHS collection in
the year of our Lord 2025?
It was me.
There are lots of videotopes.
There's a lot of videotopes.
Once I had stuck them all, stacked them
all out neatly on a shelf, I moved a
shelf around into the right room just so
I could put them all out.
I realised that none of
the movies were there.
Yeah, yeah.
So I went to eBay and I bought four
next-gen movies and matches.
So I've got Generations and First Contact
and Nemesis and the other.
Insurrection.
Yeah.
I will say, for the record though, it's
not just Next Generation that I got.
No, no, no. Of course, we do
have all the Voyager as well.
Yeah, I was going to keep the Voyager.
I was going to keep the Voyager because,
again, growing up, this is the same era
that I was obsessed with First Contact.
I was trying to buy all of the Voyager
videos that I could as they were coming
out, because that's
when they were coming out.
And I was never allowed to because I
didn't have my own income and I had to
get my parents to pay for
them and they were like $20 each.
And it's like, no, we got to one last
week. You can't watch the blah blah blah.
So, yeah, I was never allowed to.
And it was just sort of a childhood dream
to have the entire
series of Voyager on VHS.
And I officially did that.
Yeah. Well, it's safe and secure.
I don't know. I just don't own enough
bookshelves right now to
even attempt to display it.
But it's there and
waiting. It's time will come.
Yeah, I'm sure it's time will come. But
like it was one of those things.
Some of them still got the like, you
know, send away cards
for the little prizes.
I sent so many of those things away. I
never got a thing back. I never got. I
never won the watch.
I never won the the one that I really
wanted was a trip to Star Trek, the
experience in Las Vegas.
That was like a desperate thing that I
desperately wanted as a kid to go to Star
Trek, the experience in Las Vegas.
It was in it was there in the 90s for
like, I don't know, four
years and never got to, obviously.
But there's actually a guy that I follow
on on on Twitter that bought the the
Voyager model from
Star Trek, the experience.
Like it was sitting in a warehouse and
like this is his thing. Like he collects
starships and like he like he makes
little fucking dioramas of like he's got
all the action figures as well.
And like he's he's got like a starship a
starship room that is fucking just chock
a block full of every
starship you could name.
Like he's got about 15 fucking millennium
falcons just up on the walls and he's got
shelves all over the place.
I only had one. Yeah, I know. Right. But
like it varying sizes and like probably
he's probably got the Lego one, but he
bought the the Voyager one.
Like he's got it in a warehouse. He has a
warehouse like he he's I don't know.
He's I don't know what he does for a
living, but he's got he must have a lot
of money, but he's got the
Voyager one, which is huge.
It's like the size of this room because
it was like they had them all suspended
from the ceiling at
Star Trek, the experience.
And this one, like there's a there's a
bit of damage on it because it's been
sitting in a warehouse
for fucking 30 years.
But yeah, yeah, he owns it and it's
awesome. And I want to keep all his
models on a shelf in his ready room.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Was that seen in
First Contact or was
that in? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Smashed little ships. You
broke your little ships. Yeah.
Yeah. No. So I was like, I bet the thing
is like because I've watched a lot of
these movies recently, they're all
starting to blur together.
That's your mistake. No, that was. Yeah,
it's the lie. No. So if I hadn't doubted
myself, I could have that
would have been a great thing.
That would have been a good segue. Yeah,
that's that's the self-doubt. I mean,
that's almost the most famous scene in
the First Contact movie is that is that.
But I couldn't remember if it's like in
that one or whether it
was a generations bit. Yeah.
It's just like everything was just like,
yeah, it's all too all too to blurred
together because that was
basically leading up to like,
you know, I watched First Contact on VHS
in four, three pens.
As God intended. As has originally
designed. I just took all the
cinematicness out of it and just made it
look like just another episode.
The line must be drawn here. And
misquoting Moby Dick. It's there. The
quote that he does from Moby Dick is not.
Exact from the book
because in the book he goes like.
What is it? Any pilot on the Wales White
Hump? Some of all the rage and hate felt
through his but by his entire race.
That's the quote that Picard uses in Moby
Dick. It's all the sum of all the rage
and hate back to Adam
or something like that.
Right. So the yeah, it's quoted wrong
because of woke
because of what I don't know.
There's probably a few translations. I've
got a cancel Adam.
Now it was transferred.
Maybe it's translated to French and the
universal translators
translated back or something.
But funnily enough, like a few years
later, Patrick Stewart starred in an
adaptation of Moby Dick
where he played a hub.
Just I don't know. Just just that's just
the line. Did you do that?
I don't know that line wasn't because
that's that's a line
quoting the actions of a hub.
Whereas it's not a thing that I have
says. But you didn't get you to find a
way to make him say it
in that circumstance.
I mean, look, I would if I was probably
why they didn't get me to make movies
when I was 10 years old.
Yeah. But yeah, it must have been like
1998 that he was in the
adaptation of Moby Dick.
I should track that down as well because
I think it was terrible.
But also like I watched it because
Patrick Stewart was in it and I was like,
oh, and he's doing the thing.
But yeah, no smashing the I thought
you're going to go into
Lawrence of Arabia there.
Was Patrick Stewart
in Lawrence of Arabia?
No, no, no. But I mean, like, you know,
he got it. He was a bit like
that in the in first contact.
We had a bit no
prisoners, no. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's because like looking
at it from an adult lens as
a kid, like I love the bill.
I still love the movie. I still love
first contact. It's
probably one of my favorite.
That's why I've seen it so many times.
But also like it was sort of turning Star
Trek into an action franchise, which Star
Trek's never been really an action
franchise, particularly next generation.
It was very cerebral and let's let's
negotiate at a table
rather than shoot things.
But in a 19 minute movie
context, you kind of have to.
You have to escalate that thing. And like
that, that's kind of why I'm a bit
forgivable about the Abrams Star Trek is
because they are very much action movies.
Oh, yeah. I don't hold it against those.
I don't know as what they are. And I
think like the way they did them and just
like, you know, just forking them off
into their own little timeline was a very
good way of doing that.
100 percent. Yeah. It was just like, no,
no, no. So, okay. You've used the in
universe mechanics to create yourself a
little playground to do what you want in.
Well done. Great approach.
But nobody watching Star Trek the next
generation would have expected Jean-Luc
Picard to be the fucking shirtless action
hero with the sleeves and climbing up a
rope with the Borg Queen wrapped around
his leg and doing all of
the action hero things.
Walking down a corridor with a gun
crawling. Actually, this is kind of Star
Trek Die Hard. Part of
it is Star Trek Die Hard.
Yeah, it's also very much like a
character study of someone with PTSD.
Yeah, exactly. This is why it works.
That's why it does work is because like
this is not what he normally does.
And this is him under a very high stress
situation. And that's what he goes to.
And like it does only
had a counselor to talk to.
That's why it does work. And like it does
like speak to the character as well. Like
Picard as a character as a kid was this
brash fucking bullet a gate.
So he really does revert to that in this
movie. It's just sort of a bit jarring
when you used to the prim and proper by
the book, you know,
Picard of next generation.
And again, like this is not a criticism,
but like this movie was probably the
first action movie that Star Trek did.
Like there's there was the occasional
action in the other ones. But like if you
look at the space battle from Wrath of
Khan, it's not much of a battle.
There's no whoosh, whoosh, bang, bang.
It's not like the the Borg battle scene
in this. No, it's it's
very much submarine warfare.
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, like we have
the define didn't get screen
time, did it? It did. Yeah.
I can't recall if it was like a
resolution on the VHS wasn't great.
Now I was back at it around like just
before warps first appears on screen.
Yeah. It gets hit by a by a Borg tractor
beam and does like a little wobble like
it's hanging from from a piece of string.
Oh, it's like it's hanging from a piece
of string. But yeah, like it gets hit and
it's got like the whole through like a
big chunk missing out of it.
The nacelle or do you call them nacelles
on the defiant because they're kind of
connected. Yeah. Anyway, don't know.
Well, they're not connected at all in the
fucking far future shit. And they still
call them. Well, true.
But like I nearly timed the like the like
rewatching first contact correctly
because like I've been doing a DS9
rewatch is while applying for jobs, just
having that on in the background, just so
I have some noise that's not
going to make me go insane.
And I'm almost up to where Wharf joins.
I'm just before that. I think I'm up to
the dies cast, which is the one where the
Romulans and the
Kardashians attack the Dominion.
So it's it's like four episodes from now,
Wharf will join DS9 mind you. Then it's
another season until
they change the uniform.
So anyway, the point is, I don't know
what the point is. That's
business as usual. Exactly.
But like this is probably the the least
awkward shoehorning in of Wharf into the
movies as well. Indeed.
Like the insurrection he's just sort of
visiting for reasons. And
then Nemeziz. Well, Nemeziz.
I had this argument online as well.
Nemeziz is he's actually
stationed on the on the enterprise.
He didn't last long as an ambassador of
the Klingon Empire. No, he's he's back in
Starfleet and he's not
an ambassador anymore.
So something something went on there. But
yeah, like I had this argument online
because it's never
mentioned in the movies.
It doesn't fuck fucking anyway. It was it
was said in the script. There was a
deleted scene about it at
Riker and Troy's wedding.
And like there's a whole bunch of
external law and like all this guy
online, like he was a me.
Yeah. But like with a different like he
was a canon nerd. Yeah.
It's like, oh, it's not canon.
It's fucking like this is this is that.
And like he's he's this bit of evidence.
It's not canon because
you didn't see it on screen.
It's like, well, that's not how that
fucking works. But it's not canon. Fuck
you. You little cunt.
It's me. He's me. Like he's me gone down
a different path. Yeah.
And I hated him. I hated him.
And if you're out there, you're wrong.
Wolf was not an
ambassador in in fucking Nemesis.
He was stationed on the enterprise again.
Right. I don't know
why I went to fuck that.
He's not the ambassador type. No, he's
not. But like ambassador to the Klingon
Empire with Martok in charge.
That makes sense. But also, yeah, like
like being a Klingon ambassador to the
Federation or like a Federation
ambassador to the Klingon Empire.
You do need to sit on in some fucking
boring meetings. And he also needs to be
like, you know, flexible and not so
concerned about the rules.
You need to like, you know, you know,
bend a little negotiate. He's not the
temperament. Yeah, exactly.
It's like he's he's very much he's very
much the type to go. Well, that's not
canon because I didn't see it.
Therefore, that's like, yeah, but like
the Federation is going, yeah, but we've
got deleted scenes, Wolf. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. That's it. I made the
joke. It's like if the fucking if I could
magically make the
character come to life in actuality
and tell you straight to your face that
he was no longer like I still feel like
he wouldn't have believed it.
Like there was just no talking him
around. I was like, it's not
he was still an ambassador.
Well, why is he on the bridge of the
enterprise? Oh, because you can be an
ambassador and still and
start with no, you can't.
Fuck what are you talking about? Since
when? Why? No. So why would you still be
serving on the bridge of the.
Doesn't matter.
Work experience work experience.
He's he's researching for a rough.
Anyway, just I'm just rehashing internet
arguments that have made me mad over the
years now. This is this has become
fucking I don't know.
It's not even therapy. This is just
getting me aggravated. Yeah. Well, why
don't we talk about something else that
happened in the movie then? What else?
What else was in the movie?
What movie? Oh, yeah, that movie.
Wharf was in it. So was what's his name?
They originally talked about maybe doing
this in ancient Rome. That was like, was
one of those bits of trivia that I kind
of enjoyed because we would have got
because we could wear that.
It was was a Berman
or Ron Moore, you said.
Yeah, Ron. Ron. Ron. Ron Moore was like,
yeah, we can't put Picard in a toga and
it's like, yeah, but everyone who's ever
seen like Claudius would
have fucking loved that. Yeah.
I clap. I clap. I clap. Dives. I clap.
Dives. It's yeah. Picard in a toga.
They could have been put here.
Yeah. Oh, dear. I mean, yeah, could have.
But I don't know how a Roman one would
have worked. Like in a lot of ways, it
makes a lot more sense for the book to go
back well before 2063.
Yeah. I mean, the further back they go,
the easier it is to disrupt anything.
Yeah. But also it's the board because and
they want at least
something worth assimilating.
But in that case, why why 2063? Why after
the devastation of World War Three, when
the population is at its lowest, wouldn't
you want the more drones possible? Like
you would have gone back to 2000.
Yeah, I mean, all they really want is. I
mean, they need to. They keep getting
beaten by these silly humans. So they're
like, yeah, it's obviously a net win to
take these silly humans out of the
equation. Right. Yeah.
So no matter what point in history you
assimilate them, it's a win. You know,
it's a strategic value for the amount of
trouble that they've caused over the
time. Yeah. So just
like, for fuck's sake. Yeah.
Yeah. So just like, just go back any
time. Like, you're a significant number
of just like change things and then get
on the blower to the Delta Quadrant or or
hear me out. Send two ships.
Send two ships against the Federation.
They only ever send one ship. The Borg
only ever send one ship to assimilate all
of Earth and they go straight to Earth.
They don't just fucking whittle it down
and go like inwards
from the Bajoran system.
Well, they're trying to be surprising, I
guess. They're trying to like, you know,
just like catch us with their pants down.
They're trying to cut the head off the
serpent, I suppose, in a way. But like,
devastating Earth is not going to take
the Federation out of the equation. It's
not even going to make like, it's.
Well, this is assuming their plan wasn't
the whole time to do the time ship thing.
They weren't just getting close enough to
throw the time ship in. But in that case,
why would they have to get close to do
the time? Do the time.
Do the travel back in time from the Delta
Quadrant then travel to the to the to
Earth before you've got a fleet of stars
trying to stop you.
Like the Borg are stupid.
But we know now from Canon is just
they're just lonely. Oh, for fuck's sake.
Don't get started on Picard season two,
please. She was just she was just lonely.
She wants some friends.
No, look, my head cannon, which is like
it's in my fan fiction bullshit. My head
cannon is that the Borg as a effectively
a galaxy spanning consciousness has
limitations. You can't have a single mind
across that vast distance.
So like sending anything out to the Alpha
Quadrant like that is stretching yourself
too thin. And like I've got half a theory
that that's why the Borg queens were
every time we've met one that have been
different every time.
Like their personalities have been
different because the the Borg as a hive
mind has fractured and it's kind of a bit
schizophrenic and a bit irrational and
doesn't realize it
because it's just that huge.
It's that vast that this is a single
consciousness can't exist across the
entire galaxy. Their goal
is flawed to begin with.
Yeah, that that's that's if again, if I
was a writer on Star Trek, that's what I
would put into Canon.
Please employ me. I need a job.
I'll be a reference. I don't know. Like
if I ever do like get an interview with
Paramount or CBS or whoever, I don't know
if I want to send them copies of this
podcast or try and avoid them seeing this
podcast at all costs.
It's one way or the other. I don't know
which is the best one. No, I think I
think that I think the correct tangent is
like, you know, not for the execs to know
about this. But, you know, if Tawny wants
to get on and have a chat.
Oh, if Tawny was in like a room with like
we would be fucking because she's a
proper proper nerd herself. Like she's
she's our people. Yeah. Like I don't even
know if turn if Tawny would be happy
being claimed as one of our people.
We're claiming her anyway. Yeah. I mean,
like, you know, like my only feeling is
like if if Tawny managed to get in, we
can. So she's probably
already listening. Yeah. Yeah.
Love you. Please come in our show. Love
you. Next time you're in Australia,
you're welcome. Anytime buddy, it will
fly to you. I don't care if you sit
anyway. She's busy. She's very busy.
That's it. I'm getting more and more on
board with her. Like the more I read
about the show that she's running or like
the more on, on board. I am with it
because like she, the article I sent you
the other day is like, she, she wants it
based in the 25th century.
Like after after Picard, so that any
established character can sort of just
show up whenever, which
is exactly what you want.
You're aged up or down without having to
fucking shoehorn it in or like break
cannon or, you know, just do whatever
you're just there. Like
just just have them there.
That's what Star Trek traditionally was
up until its cancellation 2005. Yes.
Like, like that's, that's what happened.
Sorry. Not so much with enterprise, but
like enterprise that they still managed
to do it in the last
episode, which we don't talk about.
I look, I'm not one of those. I'm not,
I'm not a Kurtzman hater. Like I'm not,
I'm not one of the person that dies from
the franchise made it to work
cause he's known fucking Baba.
I'm not one of those people, but like
I've got criticisms about what has been
approved and what hasn't been approved,
what, what's been done
and what hasn't been done.
I was thinking about the other day,
actually, like the, the, the thing with
modern Star Trek is like the, they don't
adhere to the rules.
Um, like warp travel was sort of like a
rule that was put in as kind of a plot
device, I guess, like to get from one
system to another and that sort of thing.
But that didn't mean you could go the
entire galaxy in the blink of an eye.
Then discovery comes along and oh, you
can go anywhere in the
blink of an eye. Doesn't matter.
And once upon a time, death actually
meant something in Star Trek. Now it's
magic mushrooms can bring you back.
I didn't like, I didn't mind the
discovery idea as a concept because it,
but it needed to be like, yo, a thing
that was tried and
didn't work for reasons.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't mind them having
like, yo, this kind of like, oh, we had
this weird technology that we tried to
happen. Oh no, they were,
they came at a terrible price.
We can't do that. That's why we don't do
that anymore. Not like, oh no, just when
is the future and where everyone forgot
about it under orders.
Yeah. Yeah. That's a bit of a, cause
like, even if everyone forgets about it,
like Starfleet is going to have records.
That will be unsealed after a few hundred
years. Like it's not going to be
completely forgotten until the 20 night.
That's why Starfleet needs some kind of
body that plays by it. Doesn't play by
the book and like just gets things done.
But like, what I was, what I'm saying is,
is like the, the limitations or like the,
the in universe rules that were
established like a long time ago, were
there not to hinder the plot.
They were there like, so you could build
plots around it and just actively getting
rid of those rules. Doesn't help
anything. It's, it's, it's,
it's kind of like Dr. Who.
It was the whole foundation for Voyager
existing. The whole thing was like, yeah,
that was the point was like, yo, you got
dropped into a situation.
I'm not just talking about the walk
travel thing. That was one of the great
examples of taking the
constraint and making it a thing.
Exactly. The device.
Yes. Yes. That was the plot device.
That's what kept the story moving
forward. And it's kind of like the Dr.
Who thing now where it's
just leaning into magic.
It's just like, oh, this can, this can
work in science and blah, blah, blah.
It's magic. It's now, now, now the Ronnie
can like blow and turn
people into fucking ducks.
How? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Just
go with it. Science. Just go with it. She
does science reasons. That whole thing,
the whole just go with it thing kind of
annoys me from a, from a nerd
perspective, from a, from a, from a like
a fucking nitpicky dickhead
perspective that I am is because like
those, those established rules are in
there for reasons. And like, again, this,
this is what first contact
does in the time travel thing.
Like, it's like, oh, well, why can we
remember the past as, as it was? It's all
because we must have been stuck in the
Eddie of the, the, the, didn't make
sense, but at least it was like
established within
the rules of the thing.
There was a thing and they were, they
were in the, they were in the wibbly
wobbly thing. Yeah. They were in the
wibbly wobbly thing and that protected
them from the changes in the time, but
they can still scan earth for reasons.
And going through the, the, the temporal
fissure, like broke the shields and, and,
and broke this and that. And that's the,
that's the point I'm trying to make is,
is that like the, the established rules
aren't there to stop
you from telling stories.
They are a framework to build stories on
top of and just actively ignoring that
framework and just deciding to build
something in the mud. It's not
necessarily servicing anything. I'm not
saying you can't do it. I'm saying you
need reasons to do it.
You need to like, you know, explain what
you're doing and have a reason for it and
just like, yeah. And even if it's just
bullshit techno babble, like it said, so
we reverse the polarity of the, the tacky
on stream and that,
that, that did the thing.
It doesn't make any sense, but within the
context of the show, we're used to weird
bullshit, techno babble explaining away
things. Yes. Yeah. Because you've just
got to have a universe that just works
internally. Exactly. Yes. Internal rules.
Yes. Yeah. And, and, and if you're just
throwing that away, you're just making a
different show now. Yeah. And which is
fine, but give it a different name. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, if you want to start a
new show and do something different, then
just do a new show and do something
different. Just do it.
And again, this, this does make me sound
like a new Trek hater. And I'm not, I
look, there's a lot about discovery.
There's a lot about the new Star Trek
that I love. There's just criticisms that
I have with, with, with decisions that
have been made by, by Kurtzman or others
that, that have, I don't agree with. And
I don't think Tawny
would make the same choices.
And I don't think we needed to throw away
that 900 year gap. I don't, I don't think
we were done with the 25th century, you
know, like, yeah, let's,
let's do that. It's a, I, I might.
29th.
Well, well, I mean, I mean like 25th is
like where we left
off. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
They didn't need to go. They didn't need
to throw away a thousand years to just
like, just, just, just to get away with
the, just to get to the point of like
knocking out the struts on the nacelles.
Exactly. Yeah. That would have been my
argument. Like that would have been me in
the writer's room is, is bring it into
modern era, like, like Picard era Trek,
like, like bring it into the 25th century
instead of the 29th rather than skipping
400 years to bring it in.
Yeah. That would have been my, because
then you can do like the cameos by
established Trek actors. You could, you
could have the meet Picard, you could
have the meet, you know, fucking Wesley,
like, yeah, you know, you have the
characters that we know
and love in, in that show.
Yes. Yeah. And we're not done with that
era, obviously, because people are still
wanting to write it. They're
still doing stuff in that era.
Exactly. So I get that we don't need the
far distant Trek as well. Like the fact
that they let Star Trek legacy just go by
the wayside is just astronomically
stupid. This is again, like the
criticisms of the, the franchise, um,
custodians, I suppose the current
custodians of, of the, of Star Trek in
general is like you had
this goal perfectly set up.
Like there was, there was an appetite for
it. There was a, it's what we wanted.
Even, even after the fucking travesty
that was Picard season two, once Picard
season three got done, we still wanted
it. And we didn't want it with the TNG
cast. We wanted it with seven of nine
with Raffi and with a new cast of new
people that we wanted new stories to
bring the, to bring the universe forward.
Yes.
To, to, to further the story of Star
Trek, cause that's what it is. It's, it's
looking forward. That's, that's where it
went wrong initially as again, not a
criticism of enterprise. They wanted to
do a prequel series, but it was
retroactive. It was, it was looking back.
It wasn't moving the story forward. It
was, it was just sort of filling in the
gaps that didn't need to be
filled in in the first place.
And again, they did it with Discovery by
going back and doing a prequel again in
the Toss era. They're doing it again with
Strang New World. They're going back.
Going back doesn't, it doesn't, it
doesn't forward the story.
No, no. It's nice as an event thing.
Yeah.
Like, you know, like in the first
contact, I think first coming was a great
way of doing that. It was like showing us
stuff that went before. It was like, it
was a special event where we get to see
some of the prequel stuff that went
before in the flesh as it were. Exactly.
That was a great way of framing it and
exposing it and doing it. They didn't
have to do the, you know, you know, the
first contact mini series event, which is
just like a whole new cast.
Like, you know, building the first war
engine. Exactly. And that's what they're
talking about doing now. They've talked
about, oh, we're going to do a bad. It's
already been done in this movie. We've
got it. We've got it. We've seen it.
We've seen James
Cromwell as Zefram Cochran.
We don't need to see another actor as
Zefram Cochran meeting Lily at fucking, I
don't know, a refugee camp after World
War Three. We don't need to see the, you
know, them in a, in a missile bunker in
Montana, doing a bunch of numbers.
We don't need to see him going out
shopping for tequila. Yeah, exactly.
Which is what we get.
Like unless again, you're going to
fucking rewrite the, the, the history of
the franchise. This is like, stop going
back. That's my one takeaway is just stop
going backwards and just do more stories
in the 25th century. There's so many
things you could do.
We've got so much going on. There's so
many like little loose threads, so much,
so many seeds have been planted that we
would love to just like reap. Yeah.
I kept that analogy really consistent.
The dominoes are full, like
a house of cards. Checkmate.
Going back to first contact as well. Like
that it, it does a better job of
characterizing the, the Borg Queen as
well. It was the first appearance of the
Borg Queen, I suppose. So, but it does a
better job of characterizing her as
lonely and wanting
someone as an equal. Yeah.
Then Picard season two, even. It still
came across a bit like I still remember
at the time, not trying to try not
feeling whether the intention was that
the board queen was the person who
started the thing or whether the board
queen was what they put at
the head as a relatable piece.
The same reason, cause like they said, we
decided to deal with you guys. We need a
mouthpiece. So here's like, you know, was
she just another nominated?
Or seven of nine later on.
Yeah. It was, it was like, yeah, was, was
the board queen in first contact supposed
to be just another locutus? Like, they're
like, yeah, they just, you know,
calculated which of their drones would be
the best
representative in this situation.
And just went like slapped her on her
body and went, there you go.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or whether she was originally a
fundamental figure in the collective who
was retained and
moved to the right place.
Yeah. And, and has it sort of, you know,
evolved and merged and
gone weird over the centuries.
Like, is that supposed to be the original
body or not? Like, yeah, was she
physically transported? Like, or did they
just replicate or clone or something? You
know, the right body.
In such three dimensional terms, like
that doesn't explain anything. No, it's,
I think it was like the idea of the board
queen or like having a,
for lack of a better term, a figurehead
or a physical representation of the
collective. Like I am the collective, she
says, like a couple of, couple of times.
Like I am the Borg. It sort of leans into
the bit, like the be analogy, like the,
the, the, the way that the, the board are
drones and they have like a hive mind
like bees, even though bees don't
technically have a hive mind.
They just communicate through pheromones.
Anyway, let's not get into the fucking
biology of it, but that's how people
understood bees in that the queen is
giving drones orders and they are, they
have absolute allegiance to her.
I don't think she's giving birth to all
of the drones though. No, no, no, no, no,
no, I never, I never
thought that. No, no, I know.
That's what we'd like to call a joke in
the business. No, but, um, oh no, there's
some, there's some wonderful Dune
analogies we could get
into here, but listen.
Let's, let's leave that on the side for
the moment. Um, but no, I was just
wondering if like, yeah, the queen was
just like an emergent property of the
board consciousness.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. This is like, yo, is that
when she says I am the collective, is
that because the collective like, you
know, just dumped into a shell and dumped
that into it as a representative or
whether that like that female Borg figure
was part of the origin of the board.
We've never seen the origins of the, I,
I, I, I am, I lean towards that theory
that she was sort of a quintessential
figure in establishing the Borg as it, as
it would eventually become.
But like whether her personality was
overwhelmed or whether her personality
overwhelmed everyone else around her in
the, the, um, the, I suppose the proto
collective, the, the,
the pre-Borg consciousness.
Maybe like her, her image of self was
the, was the, the override. Like her
image of self was retained. So like when
the book thinks about itself, that's who
they think of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Like that, that, that, I mean, that's the
sort of philosophical thing that, you
know, some sort of science fiction
franchise could probably explore very
interestingly. Yeah. But who's got time
for that. Yeah. No. Who's got time for
that. Let's, let's just make her a
fucking cartoon villain who wants to,
wants to have a
friend in the 20th century.
God, I hate season two
fucking, fucking stuck on. Um,
Oh, look, I did like, I actually, I did
like them balancing it out by coming at
it from the opposite direction with data
in this one. Yes. Yep. That was a really
good like, yeah. Blurring of the lines
counterpoint. Yeah. Like, yeah. Just like
bringing him in from the other side. And
then they're, yeah, I, that was, I think
probably my favorite bit of the whole
conceptual part of first
contact was like, was like,
the tug and the tug and the back and
forth with data in the board. Um, it's
like you, you want to be human. Well, we
can make that happen. We, we, we, like
we, the board merge biological and
technological. That's what we do. The
ideas they had with law in like yo season
six, seven were done better. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. That sort of interplay between, between data and, because like say data had been discovered by the
Federation. Like what would he, what
would he have become? Like if the Borg
had of discovered him originally, would
he have become the next type of drone?
They actually did that story line with
the Borg finding law. Pretty much. Yeah.
Pretty much. Exactly. Like, well, I mean,
except that law was a bit, I mean, yes
and no, look, because the, the Borg, that
law found was, um, a bit more, it was probably a bit, uh, it was a bit more, it was a bit more a bit more a bit more a bit more of a
were already severed from the collect.
So they had already sort
of being led directionless,
but yeah, there's a lot of
interesting sort of things
between a fully
artificial consciousness like Data
could have with a hive
mind like the Borg Queen.
And we got to see some
of it, but yeah, 100%.
That was probably one of
the strengths of the movie.
series or just a Borg series.
Yeah, probably.
Look, I'll write it.
I have a fucking concept
like in Star Trek Eternity,
like the time travel
series that's in my brain.
Yes.
There's like, you know,
I'm not gonna get into it
in case, you know,
someone listens and then,
then well, see it's not even like--
You're not gonna go full Pat
and Aldo Oswald filibuster.
No, no, no, exactly.
But also look, it's the unlikely event
that anyone ever listens to this is like,
if I have that idea,
no one can use that idea
because I've had that idea.
It's the same reason like JMS like
doesn't like story ideas
sent to him on Twitter.
Yes.
Is like, if you send me
that, I can never do it.
So I guess, well, you have
that thing that you would love
that you write fan fiction about it.
I will never read it because I cannot,
just from I cannot put myself under that
legal sort of thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Just employ me and I'll do it.
I'll do things.
I will do things for
money and or food and shelter.
Can you tell I'm a bit
preoccupied with being unemployed?
Yeah, just a little bit, yeah.
I keep bringing it back to please,
please give me a job.
Or just like, if like
about a thousand people
could like sign up for Patreon.
Yeah, yeah.
patreon.com/dmcu
Have we got a thousand people
that listen to our bullshit?
Oh, probably not.
I don't think we do.
But I don't think it's
unreasonable that a thousand people
on a planet of billions might
enjoy our little shit enough
to just like chuck in a couple of bucks.
It's not unfeasible,
unfeasible, infeasible?
Unfeasible, unfeasible
is the word, isn't it?
I don't know, it is now.
That's Canada now.
We're changing fucking
Webster's dictionary now.
Who else was heard the character?
Oh, that was the other
character bit I would like.
Okay.
Troy getting drunk on the planet.
Yep.
Right, this is my thing.
I think Raina Surdis was actually drunk.
(laughing) Because if you're acting drunk,
you wouldn't lapse back
into your own real accent
instead of putting on the one
that you've been doing
for 10 years at this point.
You've been doing the fake,
you know, like Troy accent.
And yet somehow in this one scene
where you're supposed
to pretend to be drunk,
you become a cockney.
Pretend, yeah, yeah, just accidentally.
Just like go full
cockney, something like that.
(laughing)
All right, governor,
we don't have the time.
This is no time to talk about time.
(laughing)
She didn't sound that bad, but you know,
that's how I'm gonna hear it.
No, no, no, exactly.
Like, yeah, that's my conspiracy theory.
Oh, bloody hell, Will,
this is set from Kotlin.
Hey, game, he's in tequila.
(laughing)
I'm gonna go sweep the chimney.
I don't know.
I'm getting--
Bro, you're falling
down the apples and pears.
(laughing)
The ill-fated Lieutenant Hawk.
Oh, yes.
Who's just like the only
new person on the bridge crew.
Just like, it's, oh, you're
gonna have a bad time, mate.
Like, as soon as he appears on screen, he's gonna be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, as soon as he appears on screen,
like, even though he's,
was it Neil McDonough?
Is it Neil McDonough that plays him?
Great actor.
But as soon as he appears on screen,
it's like, ah, bud, your time is short.
It's like, you've got
Worf, you've got Picard,
you've got new guy.
He's like, who's gonna die?
Like, who's gonna get one
that's gonna be assimilated?
Well, I mean, I remember
watching it and thinking
that we're gonna pull this full circle.
Like, yeah, they were
gonna do the whole, like,
you know, Picard was like, you know,
because, you know, no
one gave up on Picard
and now Picard's going,
they're lost, kill them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's like, we pulled
you out of the collective,
Jean-Luc, you know,
and I thought that was gonna
be the full circle of that arc.
It was like, you know, those, like,
yeah, Picard was gonna go, well,
maybe we can pull them out,
maybe we can give them
the chance I was given.
Maybe that was like, you know, the
breakthrough in him.
It was like, you know, letting go and
actually trying to--
Trying to help rather
than just shooting first.
If I'd been the screenwriter,
that would have been
the arc I would have,
you know, rolled with.
And I thought that was the point.
It was like, yeah,
rather than having it happen
to unnamed crewmen number one,
they actually gave us
someone to relate to.
So we had some investment in going,
Jean-Luc, make this call,
you know, like, you know,
you were saved from the collective
and now you're running
around with a gun going,
they're lost, fuck them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, that should have
been the call back to reality
for Jean-Luc.
But no, apparently not.
No, no, no, no.
(laughing) Sorry, Lieutenant Hawk,
you're going to go off
and burn up in the atmosphere now.
Good luck, bye.
I suppose you've only
got so much screen time,
but yeah, like, he was
basically a red shirt.
He was in a gold shirt,
but like he was basically
a red shirt for the movie.
And they got Neil McDonough to do it.
I'd make our biggest
star he was at the time.
Like he's, I suppose he's
not a real big start now,
but like he's been in a lot of stuff.
He was in Boomtown, he was in,
he's been in lots of things.
He's a character actor,
like he's a hard worker
and he's a good actor.
And I don't know how well known he was
at the time of Star Trek First Contact,
but the second he appears on screen,
it's like this is random
Lieutenant on the bridge now.
He's got a few lines.
I'm sure he's going to be
fine by the end of the movie.
Not so much.
What do they do without the deflector?
I don't know.
I suppose shit just like
hits the ship all the time.
Yeah.
But like, cause they blow it up.
Like they send it off into space and--
Assimilate this.
Like blows the shit out of it.
Ordinarily, so like
with time travel portals
and time travel like fissures ,
they usually make them
by directing like tachyons
through the deflector dish.
What do they do now that they've blown up
the deflector dish?
Did they have to stay in orbit
while they fucking replicated a new one?
I presume so.
Or it was like, oh,
maybe they've just like
got a couple of spears.
Cause like they go through them all.
Like they go through a
couple of every like go season.
It's like, yeah, yeah.
They probably have like,
yo, a deflector ready room.
You know?
In which case, what was
the point in blowing it up
in the first place?
If the board could access that.
It's, it's, it's, it's,
I look, the return trip.
I mean, it was a team clock thing.
It was like, it wasn't like, yo,
well maybe they would have done it again
if things hadn't gone that they had.
But you know, they had to stop it
happening right now.
And the best way of doing that right now
is pop that one off.
And it's obviously
designed as a replaceable unit.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, yeah, like you
can manually release it.
Like it's, it's, I feel
like the entire sequence
was just an excuse
for a space walk thing.
It was, but yeah.
Is the point that I'm trying to make.
I mean, it absolutely was,
but I think it's perfectly reasonable
in context with the universe,
knowing how much abuse they
have that the deflector is like,
it's, it's, it's your
razor blade cartridge
that goes on the handle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like, you
buy a pack of 10 of them.
(all laughing)
Use them a couple of times
and then just chuck them
away and click the new one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, that's
obviously what they're for.
Sure, sure.
But like building the engine.
Geordie's probably got
a subscription, you know.
(all laughing)
We'll play an annual fee and just like ...
Buy 10, get one free.
When are we gonna get music
on those little crystaly discs?
I want one of those
crystaly little disc things
that Zefram Cockrum has in
the cockpit of the thing.
Like a little octagon, little octagon.
It's, it's.
It seems so impractical.
It does seem impractical, but I want one.
Little glowy crystal disc that just plays
fucking magic carpet ride
from the middle of the song.
Okay.
For no reason.
Well, he obviously forgot to rewind it.
(all laughing)
If you look up really close,
there's a little label on it
that says, "Be kind, rewind."
(all laughing)
He just put, he puts it in a little thing
and presses the button.
It's very, it's very much
like what the 90s thought
that the fucking, that
the future was going to be.
It's of a similar ink ilk
of Batman scratching the CD
like a record in the 1989 Batman.
(imitates record scratching)
That's not how CDs work.
You do that with CD, it stops playing.
Well, if you got the right
equipment, you can though.
Really?
Oh, I mean, if you get a digitizer,
then I'll actually
take those and put, yeah.
Oh, shut up.
(all laughing)
We made things so you could scratch CDs.
Well, okay.
Okay.
You don't need to, but
you can if you want to.
No, okay, I believe you.
That's just, ruins the whole thing.
But no, I want a crystal.
Everyone thought crystals were the thing.
Babylon five did crystals.
Yeah, Babylon five did crystals.
I mean, Star Trek has
been doing like, well,
isolinear chips, which are basically like
little bits of perspex,
well, glass, crystal, whatever,
that have information printed on it.
That's fucking Babylon five.
Stargate did the same thing.
They had crystals in
all of the gold ships.
They had the little colored crystals
that you'd just rearrange everywhere.
The isolinear chips
that they're rearranging
for the fucking, before
they do the handle thing.
Yeah.
Crystals.
This still--
We need crystals.
We need information on crystals.
Moving those physical
cards around still seems like
something you could probably do more
efficiently digitally.
Yeah, a hundred percent.
I don't know what that
was supposed to achieve.
I suppose like somebody in
the production design thing
just thought it'd look cool or something.
There's preservatives
back in like your naked now.
Like that was like the
whole, the chips are all like,
yeah, putting the chips in the right
order was the thing.
The data was good at.
So obviously the order
they're in is important somehow,
but it still seems like, you know,
it just seems like as stupid as like
moving your hard disk to a different slot
in the case.
It's like it's still got what it's got.
Yeah, it's not gonna change anything
just because it's plugged into a
different fucking port.
If they're that
dependent on being in like,
you know, the very
specific physical location,
then the whole enterprise computer system
is very poorly designed.
Yeah, strange that.
It's almost like one
Android could take over the ship
every other week.
I know.
Yeah, and then these
things have also got like,
yeah, massive plasma
collinoids behind them
that could explode if you'd like,
you know, do the wrong thing.
So, you know, plasma collinu goes bang.
Your chips are all over the floor.
You've got to put them in the right order
before the ship goes up.
It's not like, what the hell?
There's no seat belts.
No.
Any seat belts for every time--
Inertial dampeners.
The inertial dampener, just yep.
Yeah.
Yep.
You need the manual.
Yeah, the manual inertial dampener.
Yeah.
I have done that from time to time.
What's that?
Just like, well, in the car,
just like, yeah, I
clicked my little seat belts
and I got an inertial dampener engaged.
So have I.
We are the same.
That's, yep.
I didn't have anything else really to say
about first contact.
I mean, it's just like, we know,
I mean, it's been discussed a lot.
It has.
Look, I feel like
we've mentioned it before
on the podcast as well.
Oh, indeed.
And like, I don't
think we've got any like,
yeah, major insights to add to it.
I mean, we liked it.
No, no, no, no.
I quite enjoyed it.
So we got to see, you know,
Lieutenant Commander Broccoli come back
for the big screen,
even though the actors,
one of the worst ones,
but you know, we had,
I was trying to like take notes
when I was watching it last night
to try and think of
things to say about it.
And like, it's all sort
of gone by the wayside.
Oh, like all of the
Alpha team of engineering
is all humans, which is interesting.
Like when they're
beaming down to the planet
and like, it's Alpha
team, you're with me.
Find out why it's so
warm in here while I'm gone.
Like this is Geordi
when they're beaming down.
And now on goes as well.
Actually, fucking Lieutenant,
what's his face is Bolly.
And so he probably shouldn't go down
to the 21st century earth thing.
I suppose that could
have happened off screen,
but also, you know.
Well, they did actually like,
bring in that kind of mention of like,
you know, the time
travel protocol of like,
oh, well, if we have to escape pod,
or we'll have to like go
and find a little island.
We grow a best island.
And just like try and ignore history
and try and die out quietly.
Yeah, yeah.
And like, whoa, that's a
heavy fucking protocol.
Yeah, look, I mean, I
suppose you're like,
this is the crew of the enterprise.
They used to, this
sort of shit happening,
going back in time and, you know,
not interfering with history.
I'm supposed like, you know,
if your orders in like, you know,
that kind of time travel situation
are basically just like, you know,
just to die quietly in a corner.
Just why don't they just self destruct
the ship with everyone?
Why do they bother escape podding people?
Well, I suppose it's not
necessarily die quietly.
It's just stay out of history's way.
I mean, the way to do
that would be to like,
you know, just like, you know,
certainly not have
genetic lines that go off and,
you know, staying out
of history would be.
Well, I don't think the,
I mean, it's one ship.
It's one ship of maybe a
thousand people on Gravat Island,
which isn't an island that exists.
It's not real.
Like that sort of limited population
is not necessarily going to explode.
You're gonna butterfly effect.
Well, let's go on the slingshot
around the sun and start again.
Yeah, yeah.
Come back next week,
we're going to be doing,
we're doing, wait, wait, wait,
what was the first one we did?
Something about tomorrow.
All our yesterday's.
I think the problem, I always--
Come back next week, we're doing all our,
oh, fuck, I'm not even gonna do the joke.
So I was like, I always
mentally confused that title
with all our yesterday's.
All our yesterday's
tomorrow is yesterday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those two just, I can never
remember which one's which.
Yep, yep.
And you'd be stuffed if
yesterday's enterprise
was in the original series as well.
Oh no.
Oh, you'd look like, yeah.
Anything with yesterday in the title.
And we're just done.
Or mirror in the title.
Imagine mirror of our yesterday's.
Mirror, yesterday's mirror.
Yesterday's mirror.
(laughing)
Paramount call us.
Yep, yep, yep.
I'm gonna have to write a story.
We could knock that up
in a couple of weeks.
Yeah, give you a 45 minute.
Yeah, totally, absolutely.
If you've listened to all
of our stuff over the time,
you still can, it's
still on the internet.
Once something's on the
internet, it's there forever.
It can't be deleted, it's there forever.
I don't know, there's
some things I'm looking for
that are definitely--
Oh yeah, I'm being a bit facetious.
But this will still be around.
If you have listened to our stuff,
thanks for coming along the journey.
We're still going,
like it's not over yet.
Yeah, this is a goodbye,
but we don't know what's next.
This isn't goodbye,
because we either turn into
an enterprise podcast
or we change the rules
and just sort of watch
random episodes, I guess,
or the ones that we want to.
I don't think they're going random either.
No, I know.
I'd like to find another--
A conceit.
I'd like to find another conceit
that puts things in a weird order.
Yeah.
Maybe alphabetical by director so much.
(laughing)
Just watch all of
them directed by Frakes.
All of them were like, I don't, yeah.
That's not a serious, but anyway, if
you've got an idea--
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And I hate myself for doing that.
That's all right.
I think I did that in the first episode.
Oh, now, yes.
That was a throwback to the first episode
where we did that.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's a
very good, it's full circle.
We've come full circle.
Thanks for coming on the journey with us.
Thanks for this journey.
It's like we're gonna go
and eat our own tails now.
The journey will continue.
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Yeah, you just you just want to make me
out to be a pervert that's
I get it. No, I understand
I'm not a pervert
I'm not a fuckin' pervert.
Don't know where I'm going with that bit
but another do I but I'm
glad we got video of it. Yeah
That's
That's gonna wind up being the fucking
post credit thing, I can feel it every
time I do something
stupid in this fucking room
It winds up in the podcast and I listen
to it back and just
go "Ah for fuck's sake Damo"
Why have you why why why why just why
just don't do weird shit
when you're being recorded
Just don't