I was having this discussion with someone...
It might have been on Reddit or like on fucking
one of the socials. I don't know. But like
someone was asking, "Why did they bleep out the
swears in like the adult version of Family
Guy?" It's like, because bleeps are funnier
than the actual words. Like, for some
reason, the sound effect, because it's unexpected
in the middle of a speech, the sound effect
of a bleep is funnier than just saying fuck.
And hey, the stick of truth. The scene, the censored for Australians
was funnier than what was cut out. 100%.
Yeah. Because what was cut out can be found on the
internet. I know. On Australia's own internet.
I know. And I did that. I read the koala scene.
I giggled. I looked up the scene that was missing. I went, "Oh, yeah, that was...
They made the right call." Yeah. Yeah. Much
better. I can't even remember what was cut out.
All I can remember is the koala. I remember
the koala bit. I don't remember the cut content.
Yeah. There was a dildo apparatus doing
something to someone. I don't know if it was doing it to
Randy or to Alcor or someone. Yeah. It was
something that was trying too hard. Do you
think what we end up cutting out of this podcast will be funnier?
I'll leave that to history to judge. Because this is a podcast.
Hi. Welcome to How Much For Just the Podcast. I'm Damo. And I'm Mick.
What did you want, Q?
Do we eat number one? What is it, Doctor?
It's seamless. And we're not doing what we said we were going to do.
If you were expecting... What were we up to? First content.
We were either going to do that or do the... Oh, do the Voyager one.
We were maybe going to do the Voyager thing. Yeah, the one small step. But instead,
you're getting something completely different. Because fuck you, that's why.
Well, it was in the edit. It's like we said,
if Lower Decks does something in the timeline
that's earlier for their series finale, we would
do that. And plus, now that Lower Decks is finished,
I feel like we need to do one of its
perspectives. And I think it was Stardate classified.
They did not state exactly when it was set.
There were people from all over the continuity in it.
There was... It could have been at any time,
in any universe, we don't... No one can ever say
exactly where Fissure Quest Part One took place. So we're just going to do it now.
Yeah, pretty much. Like, we don't need that much
of an excuse, but we've justified it to ourselves.
So now we've justified it to you, to the
viewer at home or listener at home, whatever.
Because we are going to... We don't want anyone
to think that these arbitrary rules that we made
up and impose upon ourselves are things we don't take seriously.
We absolutely do, when we want to.
This is the first time we've talked about Lower Decks, exquisitely.
And it's an ultimate episode as well. Unless
they renew it, it's not too late. Get Tawny and Jack
back and just keep doing Lower Decks for as long as Star Trek is.
We've done this exact rant.
I know! And I'm going to keep doing it.
Put him in a shuttle and let him go.
But yes, Lower Decks...
It was good.
Cameo-heavy episode, which was, you know, like
they just wanted to shoehorn in as many cameos as they
could.
The episode was constructed entirely of fan service.
Yeah, yeah.
It really was.
And it was like not done in a terrible way.
Like there's a way that you can do fan
service that is just like, oh, for fuck sake.
But this one, like it felt okay.
And the fact that Boimler, like William Boimler
in this episode is annoyed by it too, like annoyed
by the multiverse thing is like that...
I hate the bleeping multiverse.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Do you think it's a bit of a criticism about the Marvel movies as well?
Oh, undoubtedly.
The last few years of the multiverse of the Marvel movies.
Yeah, if everyone's just an evil version of someone you already know.
It's going to be a reverse Picard or a giant Spock.
Yeah, I like that they mentioned giant Spock too.
Giant Spock appeared...
No, it's borgified Spock, isn't it?
No, giant Spock.
Oh, all right.
You mentioned giant Spock, but giant Spock
is canon in Star Trek, the animated series.
Right.
Which I haven't watched yet.
No, that's why I mentioned it.
Do we have to now refer to it as the first animated series?
I guess we do.
The original animated series.
Yeah, kind of.
But like also, we still refer to it as, I
don't know, the original series, even though,
I guess, well, it was the original Star Trek series.
The original pilot was probably the original version of that.
But yeah.
But we digress.
We do digress.
Of course we do.
We digress a lot.
But yeah, I guess like the animated series is
because there was no other series at that point.
Like it was Star Trek or Star Trek, the animated series.
There was no next generation.
There was no deep space.
There was no boy.
You wouldn't go, "Oh, Star Trek's on tonight."
And you say, "What's this cartoon thing?"
What?
Yeah, exactly.
So it's not...
Hell with that.
It's sort of arbitrary, but still...
Because cartoons are for children.
Yeah, absolutely.
Don't watch cartoons, kids.
No, kids can watch them.
Kids must.
Yeah, but kids...
If you're an adult, just act your bloody age.
Yeah, yeah.
Act your bloody age.
Don't go playing dress-ups and watching silly cartoons.
Kill silly cartoons.
No.
And you know, fucking...
That's a visual gag.
Well, no, it's not like I should have...
If only I'd had the space fun helmet ready to go.
If only.
But it's not compatible with the headphones.
No, no.
I mean, you could make it compatible.
I could engineer it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I could...
The headphones...
There are headphones wired into it, but I cut the wires off.
Right, of course.
For aesthetics.
Yeah, yeah.
I'd have to...
Looks over practicality.
That's our motto.
Yeah, I suppose the next stage is to make
the version 2 space fun helmet a completely
functional one.
Yeah, for anyone listening is like, yeah, I mean...
I'm wondering why we're talking about dress-ups.
I'm 100% going to be putting some little snippets on the tubes of you or whatever,
because you are a tube.
It's identical.
Yeah, but yeah, we are wearing lower-dex uniforms.
Yes.
But yes, very fan-servicey episode.
But fun!
Like, it was just...
Like, the whole...
Like, skipping to the end again.
Like, the whole building a trans-dimensional
drive before warp drive seems a bit odd to me,
but like, also the juxtaposition of that
versus the Federation that we know is an interesting
thing and bringing back Alfre Woodard.
Yeah, her from the other.
She's been in leaps and stuff, but most famously...
Well, most famously for Star Trek fans, she was in First Contact as Lily Sloan,
reprising her character here.
So it was T'Pol!
But yes, T'Pol's back, so that was good.
That was excellent.
Jolene.
Formerly Jolene Blalock.
But wanted to be billed as Jolene from now
on, so that's what we shall refer to her as.
Beren't they?
She didn't want to be confused with the nanny from the Omen.
Mrs. Blalock.
She was Damien's nanny.
She was the one that jumped off the window with the rope.
This all for you, Damien?
That was Mrs. Blalock.
Okay.
I didn't remember that character's name.
I know far too much about you.
You're not the one called Damien.
No.
I know an unhealthy amount about the Omen franchise.
I went into a deep dive.
Obviously, I've got the name.
But so I went into a deep dive for a while, but
it's not trivia that I just keep at the top of my head.
I went into a deep dive with that and Hellraiser.
I watched all of the Hellraisers, even the
bad ones, of which there were many more bad ones
than good ones.
Yes.
But some of the bad ones aren't as bad as I thought that they were going to be.
But then the worst one is very bad.
I remember I have fondment.
I think I've still got a digitized copy of it.
It's like the Hellraiser 3 Hell on Earth soundtrack album was killer.
I mean, I played that a lot.
It's got some spectacularly good tracks on it.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Like the way the Motorhead title track is just like, yeah, it's a great album.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I can't remember a thing about the film.
No, yeah.
I'm sure the number three is the I think they
brought back the daughter from the first one,
but she changed her name or something.
Or maybe that was four.
I really can't recall.
Maybe four was the one in space.
He was the one with that guy with the pins in his face.
Narrows it down.
Yeah.
Well, actually, I wonder if there's no way that it's still be like
Nikolai who famously wrote the title theme for our podcast.
Shout out to Nikolai Kingsley.
Yeah.
Had made a pinhead mask like he had like a wire mesh thing with like nails like yo,
welded in.
So like, yo, we'd go out clubbing and then he'd wear the pinhead.
I'd like to clarify, we're going to golf clubs.
Oh, that makes it okay then.
Yeah.
We weren't like, yo, down, down, down.
I can't even think of a name of a normal nightclub.
Billboards.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
We went down to billboards.
That's the only know that because it's across the road from The Exford.
So, you know, that's Revs.
We didn't go to Revs.
We didn't go to Revs with Pinhead on.
No, no, no.
We just went to the golf club.
Just just in the middle of the dance floor with it with a couple of glow sticks.
Just yeah.
No, that's a big fish.
Big fish, little fish cardboard box.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm hip.
I'm down.
Down with the kids, but you didn't know what Sigma means.
You haven't heard Sigma.
I don't know what Sigma means.
I've just heard it.
Are they some sort of particle?
I'm sure.
Yeah.
You get that.
You get too many Sigma particles in the cells and the plasma needs to be flushed.
Yeah.
Too many two many signals.
You got to reverse the polarity and it's a whole thing.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And you don't want to push them out through the deflector.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
You got to push everything out through the deflector.
Maybe that's how it deflects things.
Equal and opposite reactions.
Yeah.
So maybe it does make sense.
No.
No, it doesn't.
Okay.
Let's talk about Garashir here, shall we?
Because I was thinking about it when I did
the episode rewatch, because like when they
first showed up, it's like, "Ah ha! Yes, they've made it canon."
But then they stopped short of making Garashir canon, because it's not
actual Julian Bashir.
It's an EMH based on Julian Bashir, which was almost going to be...
When Robert Picardo guest starred in DS9.
That's the episode where it was revealed that he's a genetic weirdo.
Yes.
Because they wanted to scan him and he didn't want that because blah, blah, blah.
And then it all came out that he was a genetic experiment or what have you.
Anyway, so it's not technically Julian Bashir or his personality exactly,
but they still kind of gave us a bit of a...
Well, exactly.
He was fansurface.
Yeah, he was.
I mean, absolutely.
I mean, you know, if they're going to do that, I mean, they didn't make Harry
Kim a lieutenant either, really.
No, true.
That is absolutely true.
It's alternate Harry Kim.
Yeah.
Well, I may sell the rest of them, but yeah, it's evil Kim.
It's that's why he never got promoted.
It's because he did turn evil.
He can get over confident or whatever you're being.
Yeah.
He started thinking he was like deserving of things.
Well, you don't, Harry.
You don't deserve anything.
You will get nothing and like it.
No, absolutely.
No, the crew of Harry Kims was awesome.
Yeah.
Do appreciate that.
And yeah, look, I don't care.
I don't care if it's not canon.
I mean, the thing is, it is canon.
There is a Garak Bashir couple that is canon.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
That, yeah.
It is still like...
Because they're calling him Dr. Bashir in this episode.
So it's not as if they're calling him the EMH.
Like the EMH from Voyager was just called the Doctor or the EMH.
Yeah.
It wasn't named Zimmerman.
So like, calling him Julian is more than
was given to the Voyager's Doctor, I suppose.
Yes.
Like allowing him to adopt that sort of personality,
whether that's a...
Yeah.
Again, it is just fan service, but still.
I mean, they could just make...
Because like they did the Align Together, I think I've shown you.
Yes.
Like Andrew Robinson and Alexander Siddiq did
the YouTube series Alone Together, which yeah.
They could have just made that canon too.
They could have.
But anyway.
Yeah.
Look, this is why I feel like we need Lower
Decks permanently, because this is a thing that
embraces our absolute philosophy of this is canon now.
Yeah, exactly.
It was like, what do we need to see?
It's like, well, we'll just make it happen.
There we go.
It's canon now.
There we go.
And bringing back even the silliest bits of Star Trek.
That's what Lower Decks was great at.
It didn't just sweep it under the rug, because that was a bit silly.
The game machine from Alamarain or...
Did we get a Horter in Lower Decks?
I don't think so.
Missed opportunity.
We got a salt vampire in the first season.
Jerry O'Connell is flirting with the salt vampire.
Yes.
But yeah, I don't think we got a Horter.
I could be wrong.
Let us know in the comments.
But that's what Lower Decks did absolutely greatly, because the...
I suppose the main Star Trek series, the live action Star Trek series,
they do tend to sweep the silliest bits under the rug.
The box that Lwaxana had that was played by Armin Shimmerin with the face.
The silly box.
Like they brought that back.
I'd completely blanked on that.
Yeah, yeah.
This is what I'm saying.
Lower Decks brought that back.
No, no, no, no.
It's just like...
As something that was, you know, it still exists within the universe.
Pontoversal position.
I did not like the character of Lwaxana.
That's not controversial.
It's just...
I don't know.
I'm sure someone's going to take exception to me for it.
Yeah.
So here's the thing.
I have grown an appreciation for Lwaxana over the years.
I hate it.
I went like...
Back when Star Trek was...
I think they absolutely made some efforts to
fix the issues with the character as it went on,
and grew a bit.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but I still think the entire character was just a terrible idea.
Yeah, well look.
Yes and no.
Look, I disliked it when I first watched the
show, but like the older I get, the more I go,
you know, fucking when you're that age and
you've got that sort of, you know, freedom,
why wouldn't you just do whatever the fuck you want?
And like the whole Picard getting annoyed at her and that sort of stuff was like...
It's played for laughs, I guess.
And you're right.
Like initially she was sort of more of a joke character, but like then you get to
like her episode of Deep Space Nine, when
she was looking after Odo and the elevator.
Which I see that Deep Space Nine is where they fixed everyone.
Well, yeah.
That's where you go to fix characters.
Yeah.
But like, that was always sort of there in the background, in Majel's performance.
You can pick up like bits and pieces.
This is not a criticism in any way of Majel.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
No, but this is what I'm saying.
I think, you know, she did an exceptional job with that character.
I just think it was...
Yeah, yeah.
It was a silly idea.
Sometimes you skip over the Lwaxana episodes, but then...
Yeah.
I think there was maybe retroactively a
reason that her character was the way that she was.
And I've grown more of an appreciation for
that, as I've gotten older myself, I suppose.
And like, the whole...
I feel like Lwaxana would be a person that I'm friends with, is what I'm saying.
If a person like that existed in real life, just an outlandish, just a
says what she thinks and over the top loud mouth.
Like, I have friends that are over the top loud mouths.
So, it's like, this is the sort of person that I'd be friends with.
It's like the, you know.
Yeah.
No, that's fair.
No, I get that.
Is this the first time we've actually had a proper portrayal of Curzon?
Yes.
Yeah.
The only other time that Curzon has appeared is when he was in the body of Odo.
So, that's the version of Curzon.
If you get the Star Trek fact files on the
ones that came out in the early thousands,
late 90s, the Curzon page just had a picture of Odo as Curzon.
So, yeah, this is the first time that we've seen the character as such.
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, they did a completely new construct for that.
It wasn't, yeah.
Although, I'm sure there's some...
It was referential.
We know enough about Curzon to sort of infer the details.
And this Curzon seems a bit different to the one that Renee...
The Odo guy.
Odo guy.
René Auberjonois.
Is that how you spell?
I do not know.
I've seen it written.
I don't think I've ever tried to say it.
I've seen it written a bunch and in my head it's Auberjonois.
But I don't know if that's correct or not.
He probably would have got annoyed if he'd just gone with Aubergine or something.
Yeah, yeah, well.
Yeah, yeah.
Mr. Aubergine.
Mr. Eggplant.
Ah.
Yeah, so...
Just thinking Odo could actually fully form an eggplant down there, couldn't he?
He could, absolutely.
Probably wouldn't, because he's feeling humors.
Oh, I mean, if that's what Kira was into.
Yeah, to get Kira happy.
Yeah, yeah.
She would have like got him to do it and then just pissed herself laughing.
Yeah.
Just like, "You actually fucking did it!"
Anyway, well, Jadzia would have done that.
Jadzia would have definitely tricked someone into being an eggplant.
But yeah, so like this version of Dax does
seem a bit different than what we know about.
Doing the whole like with the backlith on the
bridge and just being a curmudgeonly sort of...
But also it's an older version of the character and...
That's the thing, this is a curse on the somehow survived, so yeah.
And having him be accident-prone as well.
But like, so it is a new thing, but like it's very referential to the old as well.
And like the interplay between that version
of Curzon and T'Pol works funnier as well.
I think it's, that's the reason it was done in the
first place, that sort of friendship between them.
And look, though, speaking of like Curzon
and T'Pol, the ones where like the biggest
clue like to say, "We have no fucking idea when this is it."
Because that was T'Pol dressed like, you know, Enterprise T'Pol,
but they mentioned to her, have been married to Tucker for decades.
Exactly, yeah.
So it's obviously well past...
Yeah, it's well past the era of Enterprise, but
also you've got the blue wish line there as well.
But she's still got the same outfit.
Yeah, yeah.
But also Curzon, who I don't think Curzon should have existed until...
For a while. I don't know what time...
No, they're all from different times.
No, I know, but it's like...
That's the thing, like going into actual quantum mechanics.
Well, Curzon and T'Pol could have overlapped.
Yes.
But it would have been a much older T'Pol.
Yes.
They're...
And a much younger Curzon.
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, that's the thing, like actual quantum physics,
there's one interpretation, there's an infinite number of universes.
So there's a universe where the Big Bang happened half an hour later,
two hours later, 70 years later.
So there's a universe that exists at every single point in time.
But there were no hours until it happened.
There what?
But there were no hours until it happened.
But it can't happen, the Big Bang can't
happen later because there's no before or after.
But it can't.
But there's no before or after until it happens.
But it can't.
I don't know what to tell you.
But we're just going to have to get a couple
of Big Bangs in and actually just compare them.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The point is that there is...
In one interpretation of quantum theory, there
is a universe that exists at every single point in
time where everything that happens in our universe has happened exactly.
It just happened an hour later, two hours later, three hours later.
Okay.
That's the point that I'm making.
So...
So ideally what we need to do is find the 24
hours ago universe and get the Lotto numbers.
Yeah.
Oh, I've been working on that.
Okay.
And I haven't done it yet, hence the fact that I've still got to go to work.
Oh, but in an infinite universe you have.
In infinite possibilities you have.
Well.
And then that Deimos is just not helping out.
Where's that cunt?
He's just not helping out.
What an asshole.
I mean, in infinite universes, infinite
possibilities, there's a Damo who's figured
out how to jump between universes, has won the Lotto several times as a result,
and he's choosing not to come and give you any.
What a dick.
Why?
Why are you doing this?
I don't know.
I don't know why I'm doing this, but I'm going to have a word with me.
Yeah.
I would, yeah.
So...
Well, that's the time travel thing.
It's like if time travel is ever possible, time travel has always been possible.
Yeah.
So the fact that there's no evidence of it now means there never was, or
the deliberately snubbingness.
Yeah.
That was the physicists that did an advert in the paper said like...
Oh, the time travel convention, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The time travel convention.
Was it Hawking?
I thought it was...
Or is it just one of those things where
like, you know, every physicist is Hawking now.
Yeah.
It's just like, you know, just like name a physicist who did anything.
It's like...
Yeah, same Hawking.
Yeah.
He's like the weird L Yankovic.
Yeah, he's just doing parody songs of other theories.
No, no, no.
I just mean like, yeah, back in like, the Napster
Lime Wire does like every parody song would hurt
like, you know, weird L was the only one
who ever did anything like that, obviously.
Every parody song was by Weird Al now.
So now every year, all of physics is by Stephen Hawking.
Yeah.
Yeah, kids, Napster was the thing that we download.
Good.
God damn.
Those were the days.
What a time to be alive.
It was.
Napster never gave a million dollars to Joe Rogan.
No.
Turns out they were the more moral version of music sharing.
Weird, right?
I know.
Sure, they didn't pay artists, but neither Spotify.
No.
But Spotify doesn't pay artists legally.
No.
But the artists have agreed to not be paid.
Yeah, exactly.
They've signed contracts saying like, you
know, okay, I guess do what I don't have a choice.
If you're listening to this on Spotify, hi!
Don't pay the money.
Just stop.
Just don't.
Don't pay Spotify money.
Get off Twitter.
Get off Facebook.
Get off Instagram.
Stop giving money to Jeff Bezos.
How many of those things have you been off?
Shut up.
That's why.
Yeah, okay.
So Star Trek, eh?
Star Trek, that's what I was going to do.
I was looking, going to look up the ship name, the Anaximander.
Yeah.
Because I wanted to see if like that was a reference to anything or...
Well, they just wanted a defiant class in the show.
Yeah, it's just like, was this another thing?
No, just that Anaximander was an ancient Greek philosopher
who speculated on the existence of multiple reality.
That's probably why.
Ah, there you go.
No, there we go.
Yeah, no.
It's like, I just wondered if there was like another
deep cut reference, if there was another, you know.
Yeah, no, I didn't look up the name.
No, was it like there's an Anaximander, defiant class,
wreck in Wolf 359, floating in the background
somewhere, you know, just like, was it that kind of a thing?
Well, the Defiant class didn't exist during Wolf 359.
The Defiant class was designed as a reaction to Wolf 359.
Sorry, I just went full nerd.
I just did the thing.
I'm actually, you'll find the Defiant class ...
I did the thing.
Yeah.
You did.
It's in me.
It is in you.
The ship may have been the same defiant class
starship that picked up Boimler in Crisis 0.2
Paradoxus.
So, yeah, it may have just been the one they've done before.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, it could have been.
Also, you know,
Yeah, no, I just wondered.
He's captain now.
I, the point being is like, I had wondered if it
was a reference to a ship name that was just like
a thing in the background somewhere obscure
previously, which is the kind of thing they do.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Yeah.
But no, it was an it was an ancient
philosopher who thought about multiple realities.
So it was all it was an ancient Greek.
That is what Starfleet.
Yes.
All dimension hopping ship.
That's that's exactly what they would do.
Don't know why it's section 31 that's doing it, but
Is it 31 definitively?
Or is it like,
It was like,
That's who resurrected.
All like who faked.
William's death.
Yeah, but I mean,
But like, is it that section 31 or is it like more the kind of like,
Yeah, the time travel agency mob from.
I'd have to rewatch the the the the episode where he's death was.
Yeah.
The one you just mentioned.
And I've already forgotten.
I'd have to rewatch it, but I thought it was like definitively section section 31.
Yeah.
Because like they go welcome to section 31.
Yeah.
I could be remembering that wrong, but like,
I don't know.
It's like I had nine.
Like I've just sort of like start mentally
blanking out anything resembling section 31.
It's not that hard.
It's easy to forget.
Posh.
Just when, when, when are you listening?
There's a section 31 movie came out last week.
Yeah.
And it was,
I'm certain it exists probably.
It's not even bad.
It's like,
It's not bad enough to be angry about.
Yeah.
It was just like,
But it's not good enough to be memorable.
It was a Star Trek series pilot.
They went to great lengths to spread out to like an hour 30.
And it achieves nothing and is for nobody.
That's the weird thing.
Like a Star Trek pilot is generally a double episode.
Or like, well, back in the, you know, DNG days or the deep space.
And it's generally like an hour and a half.
Like it's generally, but for whatever reason, this was.
Yeah.
This was like, I mean, like, it still feels like, okay.
My theory of section 31 is like they had a
first draft pilot script that just laid out.
Here's the setup for our like, you know, starring Michelle, you know,
heist based shenanigans show.
Section 31 because that was there.
Well, yeah, it's see, like my whole thing is they wanted to bring back Michelle.
Yeoh.
Because Michelle is awesome.
Like no fucking shade on Michelle whatsoever, but like her.
She's absolutely the highlight of section 30.
Her arc in discovery was heavily, you know,
influenced, I suppose by the section 31
bullshit that went on in discovery season two.
Um, so, so it's like, that's why they wanted to do that.
But also there's so many different ways you could bring back emperor Georgia.
Like, like there's, there's so many different things you could do.
It didn't have to be set.
It's only there was some precedent for multiple realities and multiple timelines.
Right.
In Star Trek.
If only you could just bring back a character
from another in another form whenever you wanted
and leave all the previous baggage behind because they're a different person now.
But I mean, like you don't even have to leave the baggage behind.
You don't have the emperor Georgia that had that arc in discovery.
You have complete and total freedom to do any bullshit you want.
Yeah.
Have have a spy caper movie or a spy like
entry movie based in the, in the post Picard
star of the universe.
Instead they've done another prequel.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Like I'm just obsessed with the idea of tawny's angels where you've basically
you've got like, you've got war wolf and Bashir
and Garak in like, you know, in something like
your penthouse apartment on Risa, just
lounging about all day, like sipping cocktails.
And suddenly the phone rings and it's mariner
on the speaker saying, we have a job for you.
Good morning, angels.
Michael Dorn is
I'm not an angel.
I'm not.
I'm not a merry man.
And go, oh, yes, you are.
Yeah.
We know you.
I mean, yeah.
So, yeah, so, so, so, so, so, so, parent amount get call in.
I had a similar pitch.
Like after season one of Picard, that the, the
series that I wanted to see was, was jane way's
angels, which was like bring back seven of nine
as a Fenris ranger who's secretly being funded
or supported by, by Starfleet in the form of captain jane way.
Like jane way's would be the, you know, the admiral liaison bring back.
So I was, I wanted to bring back Jeri Ryan, obviously, um, Ensign Ro and Scarlett.
Um, sorry, my brain just shut down.
I just ran out of battery.
I'm sorry.
No, um, bring back.
No, no, no, no.
Get the pin.
Yeah.
Do the reset thing.
Jesus.
No, bring back Naomi.
So Naomi Wildman, Seven of Nine, Ensign Ro
doing Fenris Ranger off book Starfleet nonsense.
Do you reckon, do you reckon Rose allowed to get promoted now?
I think officially Ro is dead.
Officially.
We know it's not.
Yeah.
That was one of the things like they, they wanted to do in the last bits of, um,
of Picard season three is bring back Ro and they just didn't have time.
They also wanted to do like a, uh, you know,
data meets, um, his daughter, um, thing that
didn't have time for the two box scene was
going to be, um, Kate Mulgrew, uh, instead of, uh,
instead of two vote, but, um, couldn't
afford Kate Mulgrew for one scene and also two
of I could already appeared, but the fact, the
fact that two bucks alive, um, despite being duped,
but like, like duplicated by a, a, a, a, that's, that's enough to say.
It's all like anyone can be still, this is the point.
It's like Star Trek.
If we want someone to be alive, there's a way.
Yeah.
There's a way.
Absolutely.
Look, unless we actually see the head come off and even then, you know,
it is true.
And it's mentioned in this episode, you
know, Shax came back from life and he stayed
the mashed potatoes.
I love Shax.
The, anyway, but, um, they do say it like
death doesn't necessarily mean the end, but also
I am firmly of the opinion that death needs to mean something in fiction.
Oh, yes.
Like you can't just kill a character off and bring them back, you know, later on.
Fucking the supernatural made a trope of it
of killing people off and bringing them back.
And like, that's fine.
It's fun to do, but also, do you know the thing that ruined death in fiction?
The death of Superman, but the death, the death and return of Superman,
that was a massive thing at the time.
Like we may have touched on this previously.
Really?
Or maybe, maybe it was the problem.
We've, I've talked about this to myself.
Now we've probably definitely had the
discussion before, but also like, I'm not sure it's been
on the podcast.
I know I don't, I don't at least let this be possible.
Let us know in the comments.
But like killing off a main character was unheard of in the eighties.
And then then DC did it with the death of Superman.
And they also like completely turned everything
else on its head by breaking Batman's back and
making, making hell Jordan a bad guy.
That they did, they did all this stuff for shock value.
And like sales did skyrocket in the short term, but long-term because Superman was
never going to stay dead.
Like he's their fucking flagship character.
Like the, so they brought him back and that sort of opened the floodgates of going,
well, if you die in comics, you don't.
No, you don't.
But then Buffy did it.
Buffy did it.
Yeah.
Well, Buffy did it after Superman.
No, I know.
It was like, yeah, that was another like, you know, post step down the path.
But also, but also they, they, they did it.
I still remember because they did it with
like, they killed Buffy, which is a thing that you
never assumed was going to stay, stay done in a show called Buffy.
Yeah.
But also like, like season six wasn't guaranteed at the time.
Oh, no, I know.
It shifted networks.
And so, so it could well have ended there.
That could have been the end of the show.
Yeah.
But then, but then they killed Buffy's mother for real.
Yeah.
Spoilers.
Yeah.
And that's a hell of an episode.
I saw it like this.
That was still happening in the era where
there was a substantial time delay between
Australian TV viewing and the rest of the world.
So you'd often buy, I like, go six months to a year if you're lucky.
Yeah.
Of stuff happening in a show you liked and getting to see it.
Unless you knew someone who posted you VHS tapes.
Um, but I still remember like, you know, being spoiled on that by like,
I was just reading news articles.
I like reading some entertainment news website.
You're doing that on your phone, but you're
definitely weren't doing that at the time.
The news can actually, the thing that the
weird thing is I remember it because I was
using a, an offline news reader on my Palm pilot.
Wow.
Look at you, Mr 21st century.
And I was scrolling with my little stylus through news headlines going,
Hey, isn't this cool?
I've got news on a handheld device and now like, yeah, now, now it's like, oh fuck,
can I stop having you some, just, just, just take all the information away from me.
I don't need it.
But anyway, no, I was scrolling through and
I saw this headline that was so concisely,
so perfectly constructed to be the worst thing ever.
It was, it was like, yo in quotes, Buffy's mom really dead says, Joss Whedon.
Right.
And that's how you found out.
That's how I found out.
You know, cause like, like, yeah, for
everyone else, this is like a recap of this week's
episode.
So like, you know, it ends on the
cliffhanger is like, oh, are they going to undo it?
And just like, no, actually we're, we're, we're sticking with it.
We we've, we've definitively killed this character in this episode that I wouldn't
see for another year.
Yeah.
There might be an Australian for, yeah.
Young's.
Yeah.
That's, I mean, it's hard enough to do now.
Like it's hard enough to avoid spoilers for
a show without like watching that as it comes
out.
Like fucking severance.
Like, like I, I went last weekend without watching severance until like the Sunday
night.
And like, that was a struggle to try and avoid what was happening in that.
And that was like season episode two of season two.
Yeah.
And if you're listening to this, you haven't gone on to severance.
Get on to severance.
Oh my God.
That's yeah.
It's very good.
Adam Scott.
Brilliant.
Yeah.
And Gwendolyn Christie's in this season.
I didn't know.
Oh no.
I didn't know.
Yeah.
She's spoilers.
It's casting news.
Apparently she's been doing like the promotion.
I can wear a helmet the whole time.
No, no, no, no.
She's in episode three.
She's I won't, I won't spoil it for you, but yeah,
in episode three.
Okay.
But yes, get on to severance.
It's a very good show.
It is.
Oh, I'm looking at the next Amanda page.
I was wondering like, yeah, why I was looking at a bunch of section 31 references.
Oh, that's what soliton waves.
Yes. So soliton waves of having a resurgence, haven't they?
Yeah, a little bit.
It's like a soliton is the new chronotons.
Well, solitons, I suppose for universe travel, chronotons are time travel.
So all waves, all waves, all particles.
All both.
Oh, that's a bit tricky.
Speaking of complicated maths.
Imagine something being a wave and a particle at the same time.
My goodness.
That's not possible.
That's the next announcement Trump's going to make is light binary.
It's either particles or waves.
It can't be both.
There's no spectrum.
It's got to be the next announcement.
Just pick one.
A signed wave at birth.
Sign wave at birth.
Maths joke.
Oh, I did like Archer being called a big Starfleet nerd.
Yes.
That's just like a topologist agreeing.
Just like, yes, big Starfleet nerd.
Yes.
It is.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
No.
Oh, God.
I do think we do an Archer comeback.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, like, I don't know how.
No, I know.
I don't think he's into the idea.
No, probably not.
But the thing is like, but he was into NCIS New Orleans.
That's okay.
Good luck.
He was on the Deacon chamber podcast.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
That's good.
Clips of that every now and again show up on my feed somewhere.
Or look on Instagram or something.
They got a good thing going, the Deacon chamber.
I suppose like that.
They've got the inroads because they are Star Trek actors to start with.
Yes.
You know.
We could call us.
We're available.
Stand in the background of anything.
We won't get any one's way.
I just stand at the back.
We got our own uniforms.
I said Scott Bakula was on that and he was
talking about, you know, the fact that because like
the enterprises ratings weren't so bad.
Like if it was in syndication, like every
other series, there's no reason it wouldn't
have gotten seven season, but because it wasn't
like it was television, it was moving out of that
era.
So that's why it only got the four and that sort of thing.
It wasn't as dire as like history might remember, I suppose.
And what was I, what, what did I see Bakula in the other day?
It was like, I was, I was watching something and Bakula appeared in it.
I'd completely forgotten here to, Oh, it's always sunny in Philadelphia.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
There, there, there, there, there's a sort of like an alternate universe.
It was one of the weird episodes, like a dreamy episode, but basically like, yeah,
Scott Bakula is like working in a nursing home in the background.
Right.
And they just get, they keep saying, Oh, did you jump into here?
And he's like, no, no, that's not how it works.
I make some fair financial decisions.
I like it.
Sorry.
Speaking of leaping on pissed off that they canceled that as well.
The quantum, the quantum leap reboot.
Oh, is that, was that Kevin?
I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't sure if it was back or not.
I was like, I did.
I did enjoy that.
Yeah.
The last season was its last season.
So it was, it's, it's not coming back.
So I'm pissed off about that.
What else am I pissed off about?
Just things in general, basically.
But yeah.
So Scott Bakula, like I suppose it depends on the situation.
Like I'm not, cause you can't really put him in strange new worlds.
Cause he like Archer as a character would be too old and dead.
Unless there was a such a thing as canonical time travel.
Yeah.
Right.
It's doable.
It's a hundred percent doable.
Like it's also, it's the thing is like, if
you, in Star Trek, if you want a thing to happen,
there's a way to make it happen.
Yeah.
It's usually diverting the tachyons through the yeah.
Or reversing the polarity.
Those are the two things or 50 CCs of Inaprovaline
Yeah.
If it's a medical emergency.
Yeah.
What's something about plasma conduits?
Plasma conduits.
It's the intermix chamber.
Oh, it's mentioned.
Yeah.
We got to get to watch the thing.
Level eight diagnostic level.
Let's not go crazy.
I don't know.
Like, like, oh, I'll run a level eight diagnostic.
Okay.
That that'll diagnose the problem.
You're going to fix it after that.
That's the thing that I've been thinking about recently.
I was watching an episode of TNG and it's like, I've run a level eight diagnostics.
Okay.
And then, oh, look, yeah, for, for, for,
for our, for my professional point of view,
like if I'm running a diagnostic on something, it's usually to find out
which, which component I need to get warranty repair arranged.
Yeah.
So like, so maybe that's just the way that just was like, is the walk course
still under warranty or just like, we'll just get like a service tech, you know,
to come out and replace it and Jordy's like, you know, trying to frantically
put the seals back on.
So it doesn't look like he's messed with it.
The sticker back on
was literally a subplot.
Like, Leah Brahms showed up as like, what
fucking modifications have you made to my engine?
It's like, well, it made better.
What else happened in this lower decks episode that we watched?
Anaximander rifts, the universe jumps crew of Harry's.
Look, that was just some of the best Harry Kim we've had.
Yeah.
That was, that was awesome.
This is un-Kim like behavior.
The, the, the thing that, yeah, look, not all the Harry Kims get together
and form a society with their own customs.
It was just like, you know, with their own values and, you know,
Did you avoid you get back to the alpha quadrant or did you settle in the delta?
Yeah.
Um, um, it's like, uh, slime, right?
Oh, no realness.
So all of Lily, most of Lily's crew were Vulcans too,
which is interesting.
So like theoretically in their universe that the Vulcans monitor for
trans-dimensional travel as well.
Like instead of warp travel, because like, that's why they came and visited earth.
Well, they must have had warp travel over.
If the Vulcans made it to earth, the Vulcans must have had warp travel.
But that's the thing.
Like, because when, when, when the warp drivers mentioned Lily goes,
what the hell's a warp drive?
Doesn't know.
So like the Vulcans are there, but they're also not warp capable because warp
isn't it?
But then how the Vulcans there?
Exactly.
That's that was, that was one thing that confused me, but, but because like Lily
quite literally says, like, I don't know what
a warp warp, I don't know what a warp drive is,
but, uh, Zephyrim helped me get, build the trans-dimensional then.
Well, she must've done a dimensional jump to a
planet where the Vulcans were already on earth.
Exactly.
So, so pick them up.
But like for them to be on that earth, wouldn't they therefore have warp drive in
reality?
It's all of it.
Oh, okay.
So maybe she picked up some Vulcans that
were on earth because their ship had crashed
there some centuries earlier.
And they'd just been like hiding in Carbon Creek for like, yeah.
I like that.
And then she like, yeah, jumps to like, yeah, the next reality and goes,
Yeah, yeah.
But like, they're also part of our crew.
And like, it's implied that there's a federation of things.
Yeah.
Dear Vulcans, do you want to stay on this?
You know, like you wore devastated earth or come on our ship to another dimension.
Well,
is her beagle just like an ex-lationship
reference or is that actually an archer reference as well?
They don't actually observe, they don't
actually mention anything to do with it, do they?
No, I know.
They like, they, they, they just call it the
beagle and it could be like, it's not referring
to archer's dog.
I mean, it makes sense because it's like Darwin, the Darwin ship name.
Yeah.
But it's also potentially an archer's dog reference.
Yeah, because it was a beagle.
Yeah.
Which again, I think was that was him having a
beagle supposed to be a Charles Darwin reference?
Possibly.
I never thought of that before.
It was like, yeah, I was just like, yeah, I just got a dog.
It's a beagle.
Ha, because Darwin.
No.
Yeah.
Um,
Well, when we start doing enterprise, we can do,
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Dipped into that, but that's, that's probably
a good point is Porthos was a beagle because
they could be all.
Yeah.
The only thing I was noticing though, but like the uniforms were very enterprise.
They were.
Which made me wonder if that was kind of a,
yeah, maybe, but like the, the uniforms of
enterprise look like, I think it's just like
that sort of era that they, they just use those.
Yeah, but that's not where she's from though.
No, no, no, no, no.
But I'm just saying the fact that they put the
enterprise uniform style in there makes me think
there was some kind of, there may have been a
room for an arch, I think that was dropped or not
mentioned or maybe, but like, like
enterprises, but like, based, like it has like the opening
episode of enterprise has references to Zefram Cochrane and that sort of thing.
So it's, it's like, it's just contemporary, I think.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Could be wrong, but like, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
All I'm saying is like, I saw people in
enterprise-y style uniforms on a ship called
the Beagle and was wondering if there was a connection or a face that wasn't.
It's a fair question.
Mentioned or, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It might've been left in the, in a draft
somewhere that, you know, then they couldn't get Scott
Bakula in.
So they had Lily Sloan search it up because they could get out for what up.
It's possible.
Actually that's an angle I haven't thought
of us like, yeah, maybe that was a guess what
for back.
Yeah.
Like maybe Bakula was supposed to be captain of the, of the Beagle.
Yeah.
And yeah, couldn't get back.
Couldn't get back.
Couldn't get him back.
Back.
And baby got back.
Is that something that is still in the comments?
What was the, oh, that's right.
I was going to talk to you about the,
because Bakula played, sorry, this is going back to
the Hellraiser conversation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Because the sequel to Hellraiser, the Scarlet
Gospels or whatever it is, has Harry DeMore.
Right.
So, so Clive Barker's character, Harry DeMore, he's like a supernatural detective.
Um, and he's been in other stories and like
the Scarlet Gospels is like him facing off
against Pinhead or the, the, the Hell
Priest, which is the technical character's name.
Anyway, Harry DeMore was played in a movie by Scott Bakula.
Right.
In the, in the nineties.
That's all you're doing there.
Just on a tangent.
I just noticed that like, you know, in, in,
in one of the, in the quotes section for the,
this episode on memory alpha.
One of the quotes is I'm so sick of the bleep multiverse.
And, and, and bleep is a link that goes to a memory alpha page on profanity.
And I'm very happy to see that the, um, the,
the, the first image at the top of there is data.
Love it.
The first person to swear.
The first person to swear in Star Trek.
Lord of illusions, 1995.
Lord of illusions.
Okay.
So it was a Clive Barker movie.
Um, Scott Bakula as Harry DeMore, uh, private,
private detective guards and illusionists.
Beautiful wife.
According to the profanity page, there is one
occurrence in the entire can of the word bollocks.
Really?
Who?
Where?
It's Miles O'Brien.
Of course.
Of course it is.
Um, when, when, when, when, when Molly falls into the time portal thing,
Miles O'Brien says bollocks when some of the equipment to get her back to us.
Excellent.
Yes.
And Mary Wiseman's the first one to drop an F bomb in discovery season one.
The only occurrences of D are in lower decks.
Course.
They're both mariner.
Of course.
Mind you, there was a, there was a Dick in
Voyager, Andy Dick, who was the worst person
to ever be in Star Trek.
There's a lot of fucks.
I mean, a lot by, you know, global standards,
but considering that fuck was only first mentioned
in like season one of discovery, it's, it's
relatively recent at Star Trek history for
the, for them to have used it, you know,
pretty much everyone since except for Prodigy.
No, I don't think it's been, I don't think they're swearing in strange new worlds.
I don't remember any swears.
Yeah.
No, it's probably a little bit out of fashion in that era.
Um, but, but that era is discovery.
So, but I mean, but I mean, like, yeah,
they're coming into the TOS kind of era feeling.
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah. Um, which was with the TOS, I don't know,
just like, you can just feel like the culture
feels a bit more formal.
No longer wartime.
How many, how many, how many, how many, how many shits?
Oh, hang on.
Oh, okay.
Oh, I forgot.
I didn't realize there was, there was a shit in voyage home.
Really?
Yeah.
In 1966, Dr. Gillian Taylor asked captain
Kirk if he was in the military trying to teach
whales to, trying to teach whales to
retrieve torpedoes or some dipshit stuff like that.
Simsley responded, no ma'am, no dipshit.
In addition, the above the word fuck was also
used by a native of 20th century San Francisco
in the script of the, the voyage home.
They're not heard in the final version of the movie.
The full version of the song.
I hate you contains the phrase bloody fucking hell.
Well, that verse of the song was not heard in the film.
Right.
Well, cause you're allowed to, you're led to
have one fuck and keep a PG rating, isn't it?
Or is it like two fucks?
We've got some, we've got some exact things here.
It's like, Sharon or Michael Chaubon stated
that like, yeah, the reason staff like your
officers did not use such language in previous
series, other than the discovery of Picard had,
had nothing to do with moral upstanding, but rather censorship.
You said that the absence of swear words in
Star Trek was never a matter of federation
principle. It was, it was a matter of FCC rules.
Writers of previous eras had no choice.
They were censored.
Swearing is one of humanity's most ancient, sensible and relatable consolations.
First of all, I personally, I would consider any society that discouraged,
banned or abandoned the use of curse words to be a fucking dystopia.
That's a good quote.
I do like that.
Yes.
Obviously we know the reason, because of censorship FCC, but like, it's the same
reason, the same way we know that the transporters
exist because they didn't want to film the landing
sequences of the ship. Doesn't mean that it
can't be explained in universe in that regard.
But yes, I don't think that swearing is going to go away at all.
No, the fucking seal's been broken now.
Yeah. Fuck off.
All this fucking, even in the prim and proper
eras or whatever, Mozart had that, the composing song called "Lick My Ass".
So it's like, even that's not as, you
know, the Elizabethans were fucking dirty cuts.
What was the thing that came up recently?
Oh yeah. The, the, the, the, then, um, which Shakespeare was it?
Titus and, Titus and Veronica's introduced the your mum joke.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm sure, I'm sure.
Phil and I have done your mother's.
Yeah. Yeah.
I, I'm sure that your mum jokes existed before that, but yeah, like.
Let us say that is the earliest recorded.
Yeah.
So do we have any final thoughts? I mean, we,
we've done a lot of like our standard digression,
which is,
We have, which is that's part of the course. At this point, if you've still
listening to us, you expect this by now.
Indeed. But, but I mean, this is like us theoretically rounding up Lower Decks.
Yeah. Well, that's what, that's why I thought
maybe it might be nice to do a retrospective.
Yes. I think we, I think we could.
But, um, yeah, look, I'm going to miss
Lower Decks. I'm going to miss the fun of it.
Because like rewatching season one, like it did start off as very much, uh,
Rick in, because it was criticized as a Rick and Morty.
It was very Rick and Morty.
And, and it was that, and I think that was just
sort of to get it off the ground. That was their
hook. And once they had it, then they, they
pivoted to the Lower Decks that we know and love,
where it was making all these deep cut references
and all of these, you know, just, just basking in
the joy and silliness of Star Trek that we all
are obsessed with and, and really low. And that's
sorely needed. I think not just in Star Trek,
I think in most franchises, because like a lot
of franchises tend to take themselves too
seriously. Like Star Trek has been guilty of it in the past
of taking itself too seriously. The first season
of Discovery was like very grim dark, very, very
modern, almost Battlestar Galactica, um, level
of dais straights and that sort of thing. And
it needs to be fun, particularly in 2025.
God, we need some levity and, and, but like,
really embracing the parts of the franchise that
are over the top or a bit silly or a bit absurd
or maybe don't make a lot of sense or just
referencing to Vicks and, and like all the
memes and jokes that we make as fans, they were putting that in the show.
So, so much better than just like, you know,
just trying to, trying to pass off like, you know,
all of the, all of their recreational enjoy,
you know, activities are like fucking poetry
recitals and string quartets. Exactly. Yeah.
Is it like, like everything? No.
No. No.
Sometimes you go to the bar and have a drink.
Sometimes you like, like Ten Ford was very much.
Sometimes you go to Planet Bar. Planet Bar.
Yeah, exactly. Like the Ten Ford was just
basically a restaurant. Like it was a very quiet,
it's more like a cafe than it was a bar. And
yet you could go there and have alcohol. But like,
I think the implication there would be though,
if you needed something more wild and raucous,
you'd just holodeck it. Yeah, exactly.
But, but with a crew of, you know, what, 800,
getting holodeck time must've been difficult to schedule. Like it's,
That's why I always thought there'd be like
group activities. Like, you know, you'd have a,
you know, you just like conjure up nightclub
night on the, on the, on the holiday. It's like,
if you needed like, you know, a big concert or a
big show or whatever, you just holodeck that shit.
It's like, yeah, it makes more sense for Ten
Ford to be just like, I didn't have plans. I'm just
going to just drop in there to chill and have a
drink on my way before I go back to my quarters.
Sure. Yeah. But if you wanted to do something
loud and spectacular, the holodeck would just be
the number one place to try and pull that shit off.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And you know,
conjure everything, anything and everything you
like. But you know, the point is like, I think,
yeah, lower decks is number one, it, it really
leans into the, everything that we know and love
about Star Trek. And also it makes the characters
more human in a way, like, like it's, which is
ironic given that they're animated characters,
but it's, and many of them aren't human. Yeah.
And many of them aren't you, but like they're,
they're very much, you know, people that you
would see in your work colleagues where you,
you know, go for a beer after work or whatever. It's, it's that sort of thing. And
if lower decks doesn't come back, it should, if
it doesn't come back, we need something else like
it. So I hope, I hope Tawny's show is, is, is
that that's the right, I'm really optimistic about
the rise, I think. Yeah, look, I'm tentative, but
look, I'm tentative about everything these days.
Like I'm, I'm, I was worried about Strange New
World. I was worried about Discovery. I was worried
about Picard. Like, look, it's, it's, it's just
where my brain sits nowadays, because there is
that little nerd in the back of my head just
going, what are you doing that for? It's, it's always
there. It's always going to be there, but like
knowing when to quiet that, when to ignore it,
when to say you were wrong about this. And I was
wrong about lower decks. Going to put it out there.
I wasn't sure about the show, even after
the first few episodes of the first season, I,
like I said, it started off as the Rick and
Morty and it's like, is this really for me? And after
five seasons, I can definitively say it was for
me. Yes. I mean, I, I, my initial thoughts in the
first season was like, I thought it would be
better framed as a fictional show from the, the,
the 24th, whatever century, you know? Yeah.
Like this would be a show that wasn't shown as
entertainment to people in say the Picard era.
Like that's, that's the sort of thing they're
making. Again, they're not just making,
you're not just doing string quartet recitals. Some
people are still making cartoons. And I thought
maybe like, you know, someone doing a workplace
cartoon about Starfleet in that time would
make sense. And I thought maybe the show would be
better framed as that. It would give you a bit
more freedom to, you know, play with things a bit,
but I can't complain with what they did.
They got it right. They got it right. Yeah.
Give them season six and seven and eight and nine and 10.
As long as they want to keep going. Keep it going until it has more episodes,
more episodes than The Simpsons. Yes. Sure.
That'll probably see it out through our lifetime.
Absolutely. Yeah. The Simpsons is probably going to see it a lifetime.
Yeah. There's still no signs of quitting. It's
one of the main casts is he's going to have to die.
Yes. Before anyone even thinks about
stopping. Even then. No, it's like even then before,
before anyone even thinks about stopping, you're
going to have Harry Shearer is going to have to
drop dead. Yeah. You know, yeah. Before anyone even considers stopping.
Yeah. So that's that's lower decks. All of that.
See, that's the penultimate. We haven't even done
like the follow up episode of that. No, we have.
Not only we do double episodes together, but we
just want to do it. But we know we know the
second half. We know what started roughly that one
happened. Exactly. So yeah, we can't do that
now. It'd break the rules. We can't break the rules
that we made. We're very serious about the
rules. And we're going to give you, we got to give you
the audience what you want. And then we've made
a pledge to do certain things in a certain order.
I had my fingers crossed when I made that pledge. So I'm not bound by anything.
I fucking thought of that.
Tune in next time. We do. It's either going
to be the Voyager episode or it's going to be
first contact. We decided which, but we'll
decide on the day or like the day before,
like we did, you know, this one. We could go live. Go live. Stream it.
Yeah. We could stream first contact the movie.
Everyone would love that. And no one, there would
be no repercussions. None at all. I mean, we
could do, we could MST 3k. Like we could, we could do
the mystery science theater, like piss take off
it. But I'm sure, I'm sure rift tracks, I know
rift tracks did a wrath of calm one. But
like, that's so like they watch the movie. Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no. You don't need to
explain how it works. No. Well, I'm just, you know,
you didn't, you didn't know what Sigma was.
Sometimes I'm going to explain things to you.
You're right. Now, now, since you're so like, you know, down with the kids,
in tune with everything, they know why the
microphones are running and everyone's listening.
Why don't you explain the Sigma to me? Well, um, the computer and program.
How much for just the podcast is a grouse media production?
The theme music you heard was the Picard rap by Nikolai Kingsley.
For all links to our stuff, we have lots of stuff. Go to prettygrouse.com.
Star Trek, hey, Star Trek. Hey, I just
noticed I've got a loonig above me. Oh, you do too.
Yeah. That's another guy that can get fucked.
But he's dead now. Yeah, he has. He's, he's,
he's, he's definitively got fucked. Yeah.
Yeah. Could not get any more fucked. No. Well,
I can hope, you know, maybe he's getting pitch
forked by a, by a little duck. Yeah. By a little duck.
Whimsically. Oh yeah. Just getting, just
getting injected with vaccines for all of eternity.
But whimsically whimsically.