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Welcome to... welcome to How Much for
Just the Podcast. I'm Damo. And I'm
Mick. And this week we're doing... or
this week. I see... keep saying this
week... This time. This time. This
episode. This occasion.
We're doing the first episode of... well
not the first episode. Our first episode
of Strange New Worlds. Yes. Tomorrow and
Tomorrow and Tomorrow. And Tomorrow. Not
to be confused with the very good book.
There's a very good book called Tomorrow
and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.
It's also a line in... very displaying.
Yes. Yes. By some guy
from England who like died.
Who I might well be related
to the way things are going.
You've been doing your family tree. I've
been doing my family tree. You could be
related to everyone. Isn't everyone
technically related to everyone? Because
like if you go back... because you know
you've got two parents. Your parents had
two parents. Your parents parents had two
parents. So like you keep dividing it up
that way. If you go back only like five
generations it's more people than have
ever existed in the
entire history of the planet.
And they're all named Song.
They're all named Song. They're all
played by Jeffrey Combs.
But yes.
But yes. No. There is an acceptable
amount of inbreeding. Yes.
There is. Weirdly. I mean like...
Don't bring up this fact in like a family
reunion because you'll get shunned. But
like realistically for two first cousins
to you know breed it only increases the
risk of genetic
abnormalities by about 0.1%.
It's fairly negligible because human...
Back in the days, back in the... You know
the... Oh like humans. Humans have... It
was unusual for people to go across the
river and breed with the other people so
you had to breed with
the people around you.
Human populations have sprung from very
small genetic pools at times. Anyway.
Yes. And I've just been looking into
under the rocks in mine.
And your rocks all lead to England.
Well like yeah.
Well so far there's one tangent that
seems to be going off to Ireland. But
mostly working class Londoners. Yes. Yes.
It's like yeah except for Cole Porter.
Cole Porter. Well my great
grandfather was Cole Porter.
A porter of coal.
No not the performer. Not the
performer. No. He was a
coal porter. A coal porter.
His job was to carry coal.
He ported coal and so
they called him Cole Porter.
It's like you know. That was on his
census. That's what he wrote down. It was
like six children, coal porter.
He couldn't actually read so he just did
you know. Oh that must say occupation.
Anyway. But yes.
So Strange New Worlds.
Speaking of family lines.
Speaking of family
lines. Noonian Singh. Yes. La'an Noonian Singh.
Yeah. I mean it's a
very good episode for her.
Oh look absolutely no complaints about
this episode at all. I have a few.
Okay well I'll get into that later. It
was a very good character episode. Put it
that way. I really enjoyed the character
interactions and the building of La'an
and the fact that she's had this what
she calls the Scarlet Letter on her name
her entire life and alternate universe
Jim Kirk is the only one who treats her
as a person and doesn't go. You know it's
like if you or I met a
Hitler today it'd be like. Sure.
You want to. You can change names. I mean
you're allowed to. So could she have. I
mean she could have. Her grandparents
could have. This is like you know if it
seems odd. Exactly. Not buying the whole
like the whole thing really in that if
it really is that much of an albatross
around the family neck
why are they still wearing.
Just just change it.
Yeah yeah it's not like it's difficult to
do. No. I wouldn't have thought.
No. I mean it's not difficult now. No. I
mean yeah in the future.
It's like when they brought the Vulcans
on it's illogical to change your name.
We're going to stop that.
They put a Vulcan president in there.
It is illogical to change one's name and
it cannot affect the history. It's like
it doesn't change
anything. The records still exist.
Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. Look I was like when
they were first announcing Strange New
Worlds and they like they had the
character names released and it was
La'an Noonian Singh. I've just gone off.
Fuck's sake. I've been proven wrong. Like
the Strange New Worlds even though it is
sort of dependent on legacy characters
and all of that sort of jazz. It is very
much its own thing and like it's good. I
quite like it. Like part of me has that
little fanboy of discontent that you see
on the internet all the time just going
oh what the fuck are they doing that for.
What are you doing that for?
And the fact that like La'an can trace
her line back to Khan
meaning Khan had children.
Like that's okay. Like what? That seems
you know a bit unnecessary I suppose.
Yeah. I don't know. I said the same thing
about Burnham being Spock's sister as
well. I have that little gnawing bit in
the back of my brain that just goes what
the fuck are you doing. And like that's
my main criticism with this episode is
that it's leaning on the whole fucking
legacy bullshit. Like it's turning into
the Star Wars thing where everything
relevant that's ever happened has to
relate back to about three or four people
with the same surname. It's either one of
the songs or it's one of the crew of the
original Enterprise or the 1701
Enterprise. Everything's going to relate
back to them and it's because writers
want to you know make references. It's
like I want to make references.
There are so many references
you could make. Exactly. But like the
fact that they keep going back to that
well and it's like it rubs that little
nostalgia itch for some people but it's
starting to like annoy me a bit. Like I
said the same thing about like Picard
season two where you know like his his
ancestor was one of the first space
explorers and therefore like it's it's
like a dynastic thing like it's it's it's
a you know the family business. We all
you know yeah like you're you can never
get away from your genetics. You can
never get away from your family if you if
your granddad was an explorer then you
will be. But if your granddad was a
toilet farmer or they found one of them
they they farmed toilets
right that's how they make them.
I'm now a bit worried about how I might
react if I see a bag of coal.
Genetics will take over and you'll start
hauling it up on the shoulders like here
we go. Where are you going with that? I
don't know just sailing off into the
sunset with a bag of coal
just gone. It's mine now.
But like that that's shits me about it's
not just Star Trek does it like Star Wars
is like infamous for it's like we've got
an origin story for the fucking the
monster that you know Luke cut their arm
off like it's you don't need to go into
that minutia but like Star Wars has done
it for decades like with the expanded
universe and all that sort of stuff so
like I relate it back to that but
everything's doing it
like Star Trek's doing it.
Have we got a have we got an official
lineage from like go to Grogu yet from
the other like to the other there's some
generations in the middle there like
yeah it's like probably I don't know if
it's I just don't want to
imagine Yoda fucking well now I
am fuck you now it's now it's
in my brain you remember like in the
prequels how athletic he was he was
bouncing around off
all the walls you know
yeah that's he'd be an athletic fuck I
suppose that's his a his lightsaber's
got a curve do you
daddy you will call me
okay anyway but like that's my main
criticism with this
episode is judging me by my size
so there's there's that
thanks for listening we're
done we've talked about Yoda fucking
the end no it was like it but
that's my main criticism with this
episode like it could have been like it
could have literally been anything like
the the the I don't mind the addition of
the Romulans to the temporal Cold War or
the temporal wars because that's the sort
of bullshit that the
fucking Romulans would do that's
that's that I think they I read that they
pulled that from some novels as well
there was there was some there was some
you know this there's some TOS novels or
something we the Romulans were doing this
kind of shit that could very much be a
back reference like the
temporal Cold War or like the temporal
prime directive is not something that the
Romulans would adhere to if it can get
them under that advantage they go for it
like that's just that's just there
absolutely what they would do so like it
makes perfect sense but like then to
shoehorn in Khan and like noony and sing
enterprises or noony and song enterprises
or whatever it was the building that
they're breaking into with the cold like
the cold fusion reactor like old mate
from like Picard season two's gone ahead
in leaps and bounds hasn't he like he was
fucking destitute all his entire life his
entire life work was ruined and when he
pulled out the fucking file on Khan now
he's got a whole fucking building and a
cold fusion reactor in Toronto he's gone
ahead Canadian government gave him tax
clearly it's it's you know very
very very good tax benefits yeah
yeah despite the fact that he's a you
know probably a wanted
criminal at this point
oh yeah but I mean we know what happens
to like very rich criminals
in this day and age that's
too real he got a contract with Boeing
delete that I don't want to get
assassinated cut this bit out Boeing's a
very nice organization
our sponsor for today but
you know look
yes this is all weird but it is sensible
that if the Romulans were going to send
an operative back to do a thing a pivot
of a pivotal point a very well-known a
pivotal point would be around the car you
generally they do know that the eugenics
wars were a thing yeah yeah and then and
they know if that's one one way or the
other that's gonna change things a lot
that would be a very good thing for a
time traveler to head towards
yeah and and the fact that they're you
know trying to prevent that war as well
as as like they can sort of plausible
deniabilities oh we were trying to help
it's like the the like that's the
other thing that I kind of don't like
about the episode is that theoretically
the entire history of Star Trek is
predicated on World War three or the
eugenics eugenics wars having happened
whereas I think like the whole
traditional view of "Roddenberry's Vision"
that doesn't involve all three breasts or
whatever the like the the fact is that we
just grow out of that we just grow out of
like it we don't have to hit that
breaking point for us to evolve beyond it
but now it's like according to canon is
that we do have to hit
that breaking point I
mean I mean also also looking at what's
around us yeah kind of it's gonna be
pretty hard to buy yeah I suddenly going
oh you know actually
maybe it was pretty hard to buy in the
60s as well but look like it's it's it's
like I liked that kind of optimistic view
of it this is look it is a much more
cynical view of humanity that we have to
you know hit rock bottom before we can
ascend to the stars look like it's not
something that I'd
necessarily disagree with it's
not so much hitting rock bottomers it's
like yeah it's like we are always as a
species very bad at seeing consequences
of our actions it's like yeah we just
don't yeah oh it'll probably be fine
she'll be right I'm sure we'll figure it
out as like no maybe we do need an
incident that just says no you don't
we've had before we'll listen
and I had like 30 of those incidents in
the last 20 years and yet nothing's you
know the oceans are still very hot
but it's happening too slowly for anyone
to see it's just like yeah just like yeah
if you know a nuke went I don't I am I
advocating for nuking cities yes
you are I am you definitely are yeah yeah
well which one should we start with which
city would you nuke first to have the
greatest impact to which one's Mark
Zuckerberg in right now? He's in his bunker, he's either in
his bunker or hunting animals for sport
like it's you know cuz he did you're not
gonna bomb Zuckerberg it's just like it's
I wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind it's just
like he's I'd be prepared to probably got
a bomb-proof shield that he wears on his
belt I don't know I don't know I'd be
prepared to give it a try yeah okay it's
worth a shot yeah fair enough
yeah I mean just in for the sake of
science you know just you know we we we
just need a control Mark Zuckerberg
exactly but we don't nuke
yeah yeah sure just you know the what's
his face from past tense the rich gun the
good rich gun that wasn't an asshole
in charge of a media empire but no look
the the the strength of this episode is
its character moments between La'an and
and Kirk like that that's that's the
strength of the episode like those bits
were perfect like they were you know it's
very much sort of
established her character
yeah oh and that and that and that look
when he takes his shirt off well yeah
yeah well is that the first time Jim
Kirk's taken his shirt off and someone's
actually you know you know done a very
good job of acting usually
it's just like falling you know green
women just flocking to
his feet yeah and yeah
yeah no I was it was very very very much
I thought I was just thinking very much
about Galaxy Quest like "I see you've
managed to get your shirt off" yeah yeah
yeah yeah but um definitely a much better
looking Jim yes well I like this Jim with
his shirt off much better
than Shatner with his shirt off doesn't
have the man boobs hasn't got
the the wig the the hair piece
yeah yeah I'm buying this Jim as a wild
galactic lover much more
yeah yeah that's I mean look see that's
the other thing about the like it looks
this is any alternate universe version of
whatever in any time or like it's it's
you still have the same people there as
like if earth's history has changed that
radically is Kirk really gonna get born
to the same parents yeah I know you know
genetic information like it's it's it's
the same as like the mirror universe like
it's the the history of the mirror
universe is so radically different and
yet Kirk's there and so is Spock and so
is it so like everyone
yeah no I know it is it is wild but you
know infinite possibilities infinite
universe it's it's just like but every
but also every time like there's a mirror
universe or something like you know you
know some key person dies that we know
but you know but but but even the later
ones that that still hasn't yeah yeah
yeah it hasn't altered anything it's like
you know this Kira died in deep space not
did did I don't know it doesn't matter um
are they all the same mirror universe is
a different mirror universe every day
who knows like in the mirror universe you
know Worf is the the the emperor of the
Klingon empire or the Klingon-Kardasian
alliance and does Alexander exist is
Alexander there does Alexander exist in
the prime universe to be honest
oh I mean like yo is
Worf's awareness of in
the mirror universe Worf is exactly the
same awareness of Alexander as
prime universe Worf if an Alexander is
born in a timeline and no
Worf is around to here does
he get ignored Alexander like on balance
of probabilities like for any character
to exist as their mirror version of
themselves their parents also had to meet
so therefore Alexander must exist in the
mirror universe so you know Worf and uh
Kayla killer Kayla kid I forget how you
pronounce the name it starts with a k it
starts with a k but so they would have
had to have necessarily shacked up as
well despite the fact that's exactly the
same time yeah this is the thing this is
the problem with every single mirror
universe episode oh yeah
we know we we know this we know that this
a problem like we've always known this
has never not been like yeah we just yeah
just just just go with
it that's yeah and look this is why the
the the the bad guy Romulan in this
episode like brings up the it's like time
itself is trying to correct itself like
it's trying to correct its own own course
so so like is time itself a character now
that is manipulating events to make sure
that there's a Kirk there's a Spock
there's trying to claim this as a
predestination paradox we
hate those yeah we do we
do hate them and yet this is what's
mentioned in this episode she's like she
and the the weirdness around the the um
around the eugenics wars in the first
place like you she you know magic
explains that away as well like although
they were supposed to happen in the 1990s
and then though i've been here for 30
years trying to prevent this and it's
like um it adds a sort of element of
inevitability like the fucking like
Judgment Day from the Terminator movies
it's it's I don't know and and like the
the weird coincidence of of of you know
of Kirk being born on the USS Iowa
instead of being born in Iowa
i think I mentioned my theory about that
is like I think they just specifically
wanted to avoid saying Kelvin I thought i
i bet there's a draft undoubtedly I bet
there's a draft I was like it was the
Kelvin is like someone just wanted to beg
absolutely sure to say this is not that
timeline yeah like yeah I mean I thought
it would been fun to do yeah but I can
see why they might not i
look I get it it's I mean the Kelvin has
been canonically referenced in Star Trek
as of Discovery the most recent season of
Discovery so it's not like it's not a
thing that yeah existed but it's also uh
yeah like you said like before we started
recording it's it's they just wanted to
make sure make sure that this was a
distinct parallel timeline
that isn't the parallel timeline
because otherwise because otherwise
everyone well actually I think
well actually that's you know
i don't know I i I agree but you know it
was an excuse to get character bits yeah
yeah and that's what the mirror universe
yeah yeah it's all extended having fun
with the character yeah yeah and look
that's mind you sometimes the mirror
universe is just about you know seeing
the characters that we like to be evil
every now and again like that's that's a
whole different different bit of fun like
I'm I'm not pooping the fun of alternate
universe storylines it's it's more the
like poking holes in the yeah in the
flimsy logic of them
yeah so there were the speaking of the
character bits there were like a lot in
the pre-credits teaser bit there was like
those little character bits that looked
all like throwaways apart from the paleo
one yes which like yo came back later but
the others weren't yeah yeah it was all
like hey look we're just doing like
random little bits of stuff that's going
on around the enterprise
and and and suddenly like yeah
i do like the little slice of life it's
sort of you know stuff that you see like
you know someone's made a
noise complaint against spark
like that's the spot somehow
playing his lute to the left
like they don't have sound proving what
the fuck I do like that little bit and
yeah the the the paleo being like a
fucking pack rat and a bit of a bit of a
lunatic is it was like like those were
great little insights but and then when
pellia came back later it's like oh
that's why they did that so it's like
putting that in it's sort of a bit of
misdirection but also I i
like those little slice of
life things you see season four finale
we're going to find out something tragic
about spox loot I reckon that's going to
be you know yeah well that that would
have been a distinct reference in lower
decks if there'd been
another season of that
yeah just renew it it's not too late it's
not too late to just keep making it dear
paramount dear cbs keep making lower
decks you fucks you're sincerely
not not not a crackpot
not a crackpot
seriously there's no reason they couldn't
just keep going with it there's
definitely the appetite for it they've
only just started releasing like the
merchandising for it that we'd like
people have been screaming out for for
years like the the they did an eagle moss
uh cerritos and cerritos and um they they
did it was a whole bunch of stuff that
you know is only just come out before the
premiere of you know the
the most recent season and
fucking yeah just keep making just keep
making it get just like sign jack wade
and tawny news them up to whatever they
want to do well tawny's still on the
payroll tawny's not tony's on the payroll
tawny's you know writing for the um the
academy series the academy series and
that other one that they announced there
that was at a um like a federation
holiday planet that's going to be like an
office like an office comedy I'm
like I'm I'm I'm
extraordinarily skeptical
the only thing that gives me hope about
that series is tawny exactly exactly
exactly yeah like tawny knows what she's
doing yes and like if she if that's what
she wants to do like if they have like
come up with that concept and said tawny
you're doing this like then that I'm not
on board with but if tawny if they've
just gone to tawny hey what's what's a
star trek show you want to make and she's
gone I want to do this then I'm on board
yep so I i don't have enough information
about how that went down true to actually
know whether I'm optimistic or or
hesitant about it but the fact that she's
involved I'm on board like this is what's
gonna be on board anyway but
like tawny can do no wrong in
my eyes no no no very very good very good
at everything yeah yes and as I'm saying
watch bajillion dollar properties yes
bajillion dollars yes we were talking
about this before I'm definitely going to
because I get like it's tawny tawny's
brilliant like yeah that's it's you know
it's marry me tawny like it's getting to
that level of refaturation i've got it's
like i'll learn i'll play if you're ever
in melbourne but like it's it's you know
she's she knows her stuff she's very
funny and is a massive star trek gig as
well so like she's the right person for
the job yes every single way yes indeed
but not in this episode she's not she's
not in this she's in you know
hello hello hello there was the the
sparring with him benga
that was yeah yeah that was fun
yeah I mean that that adds another
dimension to benga as well well
he's he's he's never he's never getting
accused of being dr twinkies no
absolutely not it's and like the because
is this episode take place after the one
where he's a super
soldier where him and that was
episode one of season two wasn't it
wasn't that wasn't that the opener i
don't remember um oh i'll look that up
while you dig over dig
yourself into a deeper hole
but no like it does add an extra
dimension that this you
know like stoic sort of very
professional doctor has this side of him
that's like about you know mortal combat
sort of thing and like that sort of i
don't mind it it's you know
yeah I'm getting a bit worried about
what's gonna he's one of the ones I'm
worried about what's gonna happen too
when they reach the when they start
creeping up on the tos timeline yeah
look I didn't surely he's just gonna get
a job at starfleet medical or something
like he's just gonna get sick
well that's what happens
to all the doctors isn't it
exactly like that's all of them except
for beverly who just like disappeared for
30 years and came back with the sun well
she was hiding well she
was she was deliberately avoiding you
know being sent to
starfleet medical yeah yeah
let's talk about
alternate universe jim kirk
shall we we're with
or without his shirt on
with it with I mean mostly with but like
because the jim kirk of that timeline is
very simple like like all of the
characters in the alternate universe are
pretty much similar like the the the
relationships are different like he's not
an unrecognizable kirk exactly like he's
still the same guy like he's still the
the chess nerd like he's still the the
the kind of you know
oh that's what I was gonna say like when
he's like yeah he's talking about the
like the united earthship enterprise was
that one of the ways it was referred to
in the early tls yeah
like before they settled on
starfleet I don't think they ever called
it earth fleet but i
i just I i've just got a feeling the the
exact wording he is like the united
earthship yeah enterprise may have been
one of the original to
us early episodes it was
like several several mentions in tls of
the united starship enterprise because
they because they called it the uss
enterprise but they didn't have like stop
and think of what uss stands for in the
actual you know US Navy which is united
states ship it's like these aren't united
states shipped the united star ships
that's what the uss stands for yep that's
fine everything's fine now you move along
that's that's it it's like I don't know
but I think that it is sort of a bit of a
subtle nod towards the
original yeah and also like makes it very
distinct that something more is going on
than just like you
know gyms on the bridge
yeah yeah gyms on the bridge and
coincidentally spots hailing just as luan
comes up to the up to the bridge it's
like oh I know that guy it's it's it's
it's almost it's almost like going like a
throwback to the era where they have to
had to put each actor in each episode
like the you know the yeah we talked
about it a few episodes ago for the like
the pharynge one as like everyone's in
quarks at the start of the episode and to
get their screen time it's this this is
pretty much that like the book ends of
the episode seem a little bit like that
like mbenga doesn't have anything to do
except do do a bit of sparring so it's
just here you go that's we need we need
to insert you in oh let's have you
sparring with luan which is like it's
it's a very artificial way of doing it
but like it also does have like a subtle
hint at character development well
you have to lay out where luan's head is
at the start because that's very
important as we go on and she's got to
like in the best way to do that is to
have her engage with someone yeah and and
you know I like that
as a mechanism to do it
yeah and doing the whole and and the fact
that she's still sort of a bit torn up
about um about una being uh an augment or
whatever they're calling it like has been
genetically altered and the fact that
she's gotten you know so much guff
throughout her life for you know being
related to the original augmented con is
like it's very much it it it works as a
self-contained episode but also it
follows on from everywhere like all the
other episodes and that's what strange
new world has been doing excellently yeah
like like that's what its strength is is
it's definitely it's definitively
episodic you can just watch one episode
and it still makes sense in the grand
scheme of things but it still ties into
the episode before and
the episode after like you
know what I mean but I haven't done
anything as egregious as like your
discovery like hey let's do it do all the
character development for this character
in the episode where we killed her yeah
rop area that was just still still mad
about that that was
just so clumsy look it's
it was the yeah it had a few mists the
discovery let's be honest yeah it's like
the the first yeah yeah the first two two
and a half seasons were a bit rough and
like that's the same with every star trek
show and well i've talked about it before
i like the the biggest challenge for
discovery is the fact that they were
basically um 10 part episodes each season
or the 13th or however many episodes
where it was in each season it's like
there was no sort of self-contained no
there was like this to develop characters
like there was no sort of you know
they're going to run off and have a
little adventure with these two
characters that doesn't really have
anything to do with the the apocalyptic
fucking stakes that that happen every
single season as well like it's well
let's have a musical yeah yeah let's have
a you can't have a musical in discovery
like you can't put cue in in discovery it
doesn't make sense like it's it's it's
the same sort of tack
yeah but still
they ended it poorly yeah it
did not get a fair shake no
that's that final bit like it's it's it's
like the the the last scene in the last
harry potter movie it's just like nobody
cares about this like this is like you
know 30 years later and
your sons are like both
maybe i'll come back and do it justice in
30 years i'll do like the twin
peaks the return of discovery
maybe but well I mean if you a few
characters are going to show up in
starfleet academy so I mean like that
that has yeah the potential
to have that sort of carry over
i I i think the main thing that bugged me
about the end of discovery was that they
didn't actually I mean they made it about
that missing time piece that that short
that no one was ever sure what it was
going were like yeah where there's
discoveries in the middle of nowhere and
it's yeah like the crew's being dolphin
centuries or like yeah there was like
that big unanswered mystery in the shorts
in the Short Treks yes and they made the
finale about that but they didn't do it
yeah they just went oh this is about that
but they didn't actually do
it yeah they didn't give us
something why why is Discovery abandoned
off off in the middle of space oh because
we left it there no
reason yeah it's just we
felt like it we we were you know because
reasons and and and that would be fine if
they were ever going to come back to it
yeah they're not they're not
they I mean they they can't
no like it's that was their chance to do
it if someone had been holding back on
that little storyline for you know the
right time to drop that was the time yes
that was the time to do it the only time
to do as it turns out yeah not just like
yo just room right going ha no we didn't
forget it's still
there but but it's over now
so it's thanks it's it's gone off we're
just gonna we're just gonna park the ship
here and leave it there and hope no one
finds it that's a bad plan that's a bad
plan in the 20th century that's a bad
plan in the 24th century that's a bad
plan in the 30th century why the fuck you
doing that like if you don't want anyone
to get a hold of the the zora
intelligence like that's been uploaded
from the the thing that the the evil AI
from like season two or three was was
after if you don't want anyone to get a
hold of that destroy the ship or keep the
ship somewhere where it's going to be
like you had this ship in the middle of
every crisis for the last you know couple
of seasons and nobody thought oh what if
it gets fallen into the what if it falls
into the wrong hands it was only like
after after burnham's retired and had a
kid that that people go oh we better hide
it somewhere but you didn't
hide it you just put it in the
dropped it in the memory
hole with the progenitor tech
yeah like land it in like land it on
earth and put it in a museum like that
they do that with the
rest of the ships like
no one will ever find it there no one's
going to go to a museum it's like yeah
people will go like yeah put up a fight
to avoid going to a
museum yeah it's and like the
fact that they've just they they just
retired the ship and just put it out in
the middle of nowhere they they if
they're going to retire the ship
why didn't they do that when it first
came to the like the 29th century because
it's very old-fashioned at that point
they had to do a
massive refit with program but
nothing but nothing else can do warp
jumps now it's got the mycelium thing so
it's the it's a special
guy that invented that
technology on the fucking ship
we need this one
it's got to be a reason we don't want to
have to do change the
title on the show yeah
yeah yeah I mean that's what it came down
to because like the re
refitting the entire ship to to work with
the detachable warp nacelles and the and
that time I knew that I knew that evoked
that reaction that's why I said it um but
like like refitting the entire ship is a
lot more difficult than just you know
retiring the ship then and there but
instead they wait another 30 years to
retire it why don't what refit the ship
again programmable matter it to refit it
with the next 30 years of advanced
technology why are you fucking why are
you fucking it off and just leaving it in
the middle of nowhere
it's dumb yeah it's a
bad plan oh maybe there was a reason but
they could have told us what that was
instead of just going no no there's
there's one yeah we're just doing it
there's a reason yeah don't don't you
don't you worry your pretty little head
about it uh but yeah
meanwhile on the 21st century
meanwhile
in Toronto
which which they went to a bridge has
been blown did you know apparently um uh
the the bridge that got blown up like by
the photonic bomb it basically matches
the design of a bridge that is currently
being built in toronto
i heard something about this yeah yeah
yeah so it's like I'm never going to
drive a rocket don't
recommend it just it's like any romeoans
don't know because we don't know what
year specifically this happens no we we
know roughly how old khan is but do we
though because other other song daughter
was only you know one or two years old
when like q had to cure her in season two
yeah but I think that
storyline too by the way
yeah um but yeah no I mean I think that
was deliberate it's like yeah we don't
know exactly when it is it's it's it's
it's somewhere in the next somewhere in
the next decade yeah roughly yeah it's
recognizable to us now
yeah it's it's modern enough that we can
recognize the technology in it they're
like you know but like nobody uses a like
a mobile phone so it's like nobody you've
got like um kirk breaking into the car
and you know going going on a joyride
like that's kind of a modern car but also
people have old cars or old souped up you
know things all the time
so that could be the same
car it's an old car but it's got a
mycelial drive instead of
refitting it travels on mushroom
and but yeah that was that was that was
that was a thumb editor it was somewhere
on Memory Alpha I think was like the the
um the car chase scenes were all in a um
uh in one of the um augmented reality
tanks it was it was oh really the car
chase interiors were all a stationary car
oh really I didn't know that but they
still got motion sick I mean you do yeah
no but like that that was like i've
played i've played i've played VR and
it's like depending on how
they've fucking worked it
they were in one of those AR shells were
like all the all the scenery moving
around to them and
they still got motion sick
the one they invented
for The Mandalorian impacted that
kind of thing yeah like yeah that was the
kind of thing they did they did it was a
stationary car but there's some scenes
where they're pointedly looking a bit
queasy yeah I'm sure they deliberate like
having read that I'm sure they
deliberately edited those looking
a bit fucking worse for wear it's
okay let's slot that in yeah that's a
good look yeah that's selling it
definitely absolutely um
but I thought that was fun but
yes you would get motion sick in those
things like because like it because you
know i've got a HTC Vive and like most
games are fairly like they not to brag
yeah it cost me a fucking lot of money
it's it's it was one of those things like
when I was walking out of the store with
it like I bought it from from Office-
works and I'm walking out of the store
with it with the box just going I'm
an idiot whatever fucking done this is
too much money what have I fucking done
I'm a moron oh god oh god oh
god anyway but um don't regret buying it
but like if you if you play the likes of
like fallout vr like that it's still like
you don't get motion sick playing that
one one that I did it was like you called
phasmophobia it's as like a ghost hunting
one but because because the most like
when you're moving it's smoother like
like as you walk it's smooth so your
brain thinks you're walking and you just
go oh no oh so you know it doesn't
surprise me that this you know that you
would get motion sickness
in one of those machines no
fair um what else happened it was like
you know they they did the usual like
gambling with the locals gambling
with the locals which they they you know
conveniently did after robbing a store
after stealing clothes
from a clothes store yeah
okay well no one's going to agree to play
chess with someone who looks
like they're from sci-fi do
you know that's the thing about like one
thing that I noticed on second watch is
like alternate universe kirk's uniform
because the badge is different like like
their badge it's still the triangle thing
but it looks like it looks like something
you'd see in like an snl sketch because
they're not allowed to use star trek
delta it looks like one of those but on
the sleeves they've still got the little
like the star that goes in the middle of
the captain you can because they do that
with their uniforms in like modern star
trek they put the deltas everywhere on in
the the disco uniforms
yeah with like the star
and the swirly and the
yeah yeah so so so kirk's uniform has
like the stars all all over his sleeve
but nowhere else on his uniform which
obviously they've just you know reused
the costume that they had for you know
what's his face they
just assumed no one would be an obsessive
nerd watching their show
well stand corrected
who'd be an obsessive nerd
about star trek not me uh hot
dogs hotels
it would be interesting to go back to
that alternate universe
like to to see that like see how the rest
of it's played out because clearly
technology is still advanced to to have
the enterprise be recognizably the
enterprises it's still like a
constitution class yeah ship
but without Vulcan involvement
yeah I know that the the this is this is
something I'm I can't figure out where it
diverged there because like if they're
not prepared to even like yo talk to the
Vulcans yeah and yet they have the same
ship yeah they've got the same same ship
because like it's employing it diverged
at two different points yeah it's
it's like it's you know I think that's
why you don't spend much time in the
alternate realities because like they
didn't want people to think too hard
about it but guess what we're star trek
nerds and we think too hard about fucking
everything um so here we are but it's
like like the technology the same despite
the lack of Vulcan involvement there's no
federation between the Vulcans and Earth
the like everyone's at war with the
Romulans the um you know alternate Kirk
recognizes a Romulan bird of prey when
Laanne doesn't because nobody's seen the
Romulans at this point so that still sort
of connects the Romulans are disguised as
a human so he doesn't like Laanne doesn't
recognize that they're related
to the Vulcans yeah sure well yeah so
yeah that that was another thing that
they don't undermine that she's not like
the one person who
suddenly knows yeah yeah
yeah I mean like this is the thing like
um pike does technically sort of do a lot
like after that timey-wimey episode where
he met his alternate
future self or whatever but um
what did I start saying
something yeah no it's like that that
alternate universe like the way that that
sort of panned out I kind of want to
explore like what's going
on there but also like it's
i think if we do it suddenly becomes a
huge mess and we can't
it's it's it's the house of cards that as
soon as you start wanting to see what's
on the other side of the cards it all
collapse so like you can't you can't sort
of delve too far no which in all honesty
is what the the mirror universe is yes
and yet we've we've done a hell of a lot
of exploration of the mirror universe
over the franchise history
deep space nine and then but
they'll never go back to that one because
there's no kirk in it now
no not that one exactly
yeah no exactly it's like the one from
this episode I thought you meant that
they'll never go back
to the mirror universe
no no no no no no no no no no I mean the
one in this well the
but the borg will never be
bad guys in star trek again yeah they
will they'll be back like some writer
will come like the borg had like been
decimated like three times now and they
keep coming back it's like they're
cockroaches it's it's some writer will
come up with a story that they want to
tell about the borg and they'll be back
wait and see you remember
it's a song from hamilton
anyway I was I was gonna I was just
thinking like yeah maybe they could do it
like do it like yeah with one loan a borg
like you know like dr who did with dalek
which was really good dalek episode it
was until they just fucked that up until
they they basically read but
but even star trek's already done the one
thing they've already done that so it's
like you know the the well has been well
tapped you know like
i say this as a writer who
has an idea for a book story
but like it's it's what this is this is
years this is years before like fucking
space trade like this is fan fiction of
mine yeah that I started writing it was
like it was called star trek eternity
like I called it star trek eternity where
like it was about the the first time ship
was based like it was set after voyager
and so like I had like a series of of
ideas about you know the the time ship
eternity that you know went back and
forth and it was a it was a borg origin
story but you didn't you're not supposed
to know that at the start and anyway I'm
i won't say anything more give me a job
paramount give me a fucking job I need a
job I do I do need a job actually I do
actually need a job right now if anyone
can give me a job i'll
take it if you're listening
to this podcast yeah
it's just like yeah just uh
i don't know this this this podcast is
probably going to come out in a month's
time so I hopefully
i've got a job by then
but hopefully hopefully this one's less
work to edit because like yeah the ones
that are just the two of us are always a
lot easier to I would imagine yes yeah
and although we have done some digression
we have yes I mean we we've already
digressed in the timeline because we
still haven't released the at the time of
recording we haven't released the the the
comedy festival show that we did like the
for part of Picard
season two because that's
we saw we saw I know
what to turn that into
yes it'll be it'll be on youtube at some
point but like we've we've already gone
against our own rules of doing
it all in chronological order
i mean no we we we had we
did do it in chronological we
recorded it in chronological order but we
didn't release it that's I mean we've
recorded out but some people saw it maybe
someone had a recorder in the audience
and they've leaked it
online you know maybe
i
have nothing to say I don't know no
but but it did happen there we're
witnesses it's not
just us but my point is
dear cbs give me a
job i'll be your friend
we're full of nebulous ideas with no no
actual plan aren't we
yeah well I i think the main thing is
like yo like yeah we just keep getting
such up by the need to like yo not starve
to death under capitalism that's the
difficulty and that and that keeps
changing the priorities yeah
can't we just like destroy capitalism
um please well I mean you know at some
point after world war three I believe is
what you know
yeah they they do maintain this socialist
utopia thing apparently the like yeah i
then you know the the pelly is
still worried she's still hedging a bit
she's still she's still worried it's a
fad I suppose when you've existed since
since pythagoras everything seems like a
fad yeah it's like this roman empire
thing that lasts you know
this socialist utopia is like yes I let's
be barely 200 years it's like you know
like you know it's yeah let's see here
let's let's let's let's see how we go
let's wait it out let's see what's gonna
happen I do wanna I i I don't even know
if I want to see the interaction I just
want to see pelia walking out of gynan's
bar yeah I i don't want more
than that I i just want I i
want pelia to like just walk in and out
of a scene of starfleet academy hmm
because like she's still going to be
alive then yeah unless she dies in
strange new world don't kill her you
killed every other engineer so far and
we've we've got we've got scotty now so
her time's yeah her time's limited yeah
but don't kill her off for fucks sake
like yeah the the the well I mean you
know like scotty never got killed off
really that was like he he oh yeah like
but I'm just saying like yo the the the
the the enterprise's engineer is not you
know the same
definitively as like spinal tap yeah
he's not the spinal tap drama just the
fact that they've killed off they killed
off the um the blind the uh andorian
whose name I forget hammer I don't
know the endorians do not get
a break no they really don't
no it's like you
know founding founding fenderation
members and all they should be like you
know getting a lot more
time and credit than they do
well this is this is the other thing
about like enterprise is because like
they were going to bring on jeffrey
combs's uh shran as like a regular
character that was one of the plans for
season five that never
happened so like it's uh
they don't get a break you're right no no
it's bullshit yeah uh god if they managed
what else did we see
I'm interesting or a
chattering away for an hour
it feels like longer it does I think
mainly because we've
talked about the episode a lot
we have yeah this is the thing like we've
covered everything in the episode we
haven't gone off on a tangent well i
think it's like we went
through so many
tangents on last episode hmm
we are god we went it's like that's this
is the thing adam is adam richard is our
people so like we'll just talk about
fucking anything like like whether
whether it be science fiction or whether
it be literally any science because like
he's as big a nerd as we are oh like he's
worked on hard quiz and we've done the
like our quiz so like we've got that
which and we like we're both involved in
the comedy world so we've got that like
yeah yeah no like the tangents the
tangents were everywhere yeah yeah yeah
so it's it's just like there's it's
unsurprising that that conversation went
for you know ridiculously long like
you'll notice you know viewers at home
listeners at home that the the episode is
the first one that's longer
than an hour usual yeah we've
we've cooked a couple of minutes over an
hour here and there but yes that was like
90 minutes and and that's that's that's
and that's after some harsh cuts that's
some harsh cuts yes there's a good 15 to
20 minutes of bonus material that you'll
find on our patreon if you hadn't had i
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um yeah well I mean if we can quit our
jobs we we will just not stop doing this
i can't quit my job I don't have one oh
there you go this is my job currently
which is not paying the bills
i went out on on friday I went to panda
hot pot um and spent far too much money
we went out drinking afterwards and one
thing led to another yes as it does well
I'm about I'm about to like you know just
literally set money on
fire to propel my vehicles
wouldn't that be fun if you could just
set things on fire for a vehicle just you
know load it up with leaves and you know
crank it up hey you could
port some coal run it on
coal no they're like I that'd be more of
a train kind of deal well you know the
steam yeah they had steam actually I do
know some people I do know somewhere with
some people who work in like heritage
railways g'day will um who probably let
me port some coal yeah if i
wanted to get back in touch
with my roots like just just take out
your diesel engine put a steam engine in
there yeah and yeah away you go yeah very
slowly but like you'll go yeah probably i
don't know I'm not a mechanic that's how
it works you just take one out and put
the other in that's there's no other
conversion process no not at all no not
at all just just just like instead of
going vroom vroom it'll just go
i think I think you'd need a little
different spout on the filler cap because
i don't know how you
get coal down the little
yeah that's the point
yeah yeah just roll it down
you know you'd need very small coal yeah
and crush it up and just like push it in
the little filler cap thing
yeah you couldn't do the whole shovel
thing that they do for the steam
no no there's not enough room in the car
for a start you could
wear the fun hat though
oh yeah the steam steam
engine hat yeah yeah yeah
that'd be the that's what it's all about
that's that's it's all about the hat it's
funny you say that about like yeah just
swapping engines out like is like i
always like they do that in starjite like
yeah there's always like yeah the power
and their bypassing realize that stacking
a thing is like rerouting something
through the deflecting in my youth i
always I thought electricity was much
like that because I remember like I had i
had these walkie talkies like I had a
nine volt battery and I thought i'd be
able to talk people further away if i
plugged it into the wall socket oh no i
don't I don't know how I'm still here no
that I do know why the walkie talkie
doesn't work anymore
don't try that at home kids no you might
die or end up like like me yeah
that's that there's something wrong with
me brain now but no I just thought like
more power was more better
yeah more power more better like there's
you know that was the whole thesis behind
home improvement starring tim allen more
power because he said that all the
time it's it's all also famously took his
shirt off in galaxy
quest he did yes we've
just we've come full circle yeah so we do
we just effortlessly effortlessly do like
callbacks yeah to bullshit that we've
already talked about yeah maybe it's just
because all of our
conversations are circular
yes that was an attempt at segwaying back
to star trek but I should have left that
at the end anyway it doesn't matter so i
was just I was just having a look to see
if there's anything else we need to wrap
up on on the actual episode
no I think i've like i've i've done my
criticism of the the storyline like the
the general plot that it was a character
episode it was it was a long character
episode nobody else is
allowed to know about it
yeah and and I did follow up watching
this episode by going straight and
watching those old scientists again which
is kind of the emotional fallout for long
it is yeah um and a bit of closure there
and and there's there's an episode that
shouldn't work no absolutely that should
not have worked that that episode that
episode as soon as someone pitched it
they should have thrown the person out of
the room yeah for such a stupid idea
they probably they probably did then they
made it anyway I know
and and yet it was wonderful yeah
i mean this is the thing like they need
to take big swings they did take and this
is like leon like probably because of
this episode is now like one of my
favorite characters because like that's
that final scene uh like when she's alone
in the quarters and just like breaks down
crying it's just like that's
heartbreaking like that's just you know
magnificent like it's so tragic and you
know you just want a gift from a big hug
and anyway that's just yeah
and and I did I did I did I did love that
when she calls kirk and yeah
he's like oh god what sam done
he's fine he's not fine
he does he definitely dies
not for a bit though not for a bit no no
like they just find his body in tls it's
it's yeah and it's just
like shatner in a mustache
it's just how that works anyway like
let's I don't look like i've given my
thoughts on the episode I think that's i
think we've I think we've actually
discussed the episode for once we did go
give you something to do when you're
editing something to cut out because i
like to keep the peace I need more to do
what you need is more tasks that's what
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computers now and I'm you
know doing some other random shit
and you're the foremost expert in like in
probably the world in like one specific
computer company that doesn't exist yeah
there's one obscure 80s australian
computer company that I now I think know
more about than anyone else anyone else
living no I mean the guy who founded it
is still alive well yeah and I think i
know more than him at this moment so
yeah mix little bits um keep an eye out
for you know my bullshit cooking thing
that's gonna be funny oh yes I bought it
so I don't know if I established I i've
told you about it I bought our facebook
marketplace uh the official star the
official star trek um cooking manual
which with some very 1970s recipes in it
so that's going to be a
stupid thing that I do
lots of lots of lard and
gelatin everywhere lard
gelatin there is there's at least two
recipes that I know of that involve aspic
like just things suspended in aspic i've
bought the gelatin for it the sachets so
it's going to be monstrous it's going to
be weird I'm going to hate it it's going
to be fun um anyway other than that come
we just go come back next episode where
we're doing another Voyager episode uh
one small step um and we may have a
special we may have a guest on and
that'll be fun and we'll see you then
first contact gonna be special unless uh
unless lower decks does a time travel the
episode um which renew the show you
bastards renew the show for season five
six season five i've fucked it up again
six seasons in a movie
six seasons in a movie fucking six more
seasons keep going forever keep lower
decks going for as long as star trek is
going yes like just you know tony and
jack can keep going with it just
give them a show just like
put them in a shuttle and just
like jack quaid's getting enough work but
like because he's also superman he's also
like he's got the boys
for at least another season
yeah that's it though I think they're
filming the last one but yeah anyway
you're good yeah I'm sure you'll be fine
but yeah renew lower decks
renew lower decks computer and program
But like I remember once I got in trouble
because like I
finally got a TV in my room
when I was, I don't know,
let's say 13 or whatever.
And so I had it on
because I was waiting
for Star Trek to start
and mum must've seen the light in my room
and came in and
thought I was watching "Sex TV"
or like some sex show that
was on a different network
that like that showed
boobs at 9.30 at night.
And it's like, no, I'm
waiting for Star Trek to come on.
I don't care about boobs.