We kick off.
You usually do the kick off.
I usually do.
You did it last time and it threw me.
So I didn't know where to go from there.
So welcome to How Much for Just the Podcast.
My name's Damo.
And I'm Mick.
And this week we've got a special guest.
We've got a host of Talking Poofy.
A long time ago.
A host of Adam Richard Has a Theory that may give
away the name of the guest that we're introducing.
Yes, Mr.
Theory.
Coincidentally, the name of our favourite bar.
Oh, really?
Theory is our favourite bar.
Yes.
Pay us now, please.
Theme Music "The Picard Rap"
I think our first guest or even host with a surname.
Yeah.
Well, pretty much like everything else has been like Mick's Kid Eris
And we've got like Damo's housemate, Caili.
Well, I'm honoured to be here.
I'm excited to be doing this.
Thanks.
Thanks for being on.
I'll start.
Do you give away when you record it?
Because isn't it technically Star Trek Day today?
Yes, yes.
It is.
I mean, we do and we don't.
Oh, okay.
Last time, last time we recorded was like the day after Raygun went viral.
Oh, wow.
So we spent a lot of the episode talking about that.
I've already planned for the "Where Are They Now?" episode.
I'm just waiting for that.
We can probably put together in about a month.
Yeah, totally.
I'm waiting for the Halloween costume.
It's huge, apparently.
Yeah.
Like it's the, the Raygun costume is selling out already.
And there's the, it's just a commercially available tracksuit.
It's just a trackie.
And there was like a convention, like I want to, I don't know if it was like a
Comic-Con or one of those in the US where there was like two dozen people
dressed as Raygun and they were all in a circle doing, doing the break,
doing the break dancing moves that she was doing.
And it was, it was, yeah.
I would, I would love someone to do a Raygun costume where they wear the legs
at the top and have like a little fake head
hanging out the bottom, feet of their hands.
That's marvellous.
If that showed up on AliExpress, I would buy it.
Yeah.
That along with the drilling rig that you found the tunneling ...
So anyway, before I forget, let me, let me just say, say we got mail the, not the
other day, but like, yeah, before this episode, we got mail.
We got, we just wanted to do a formal shout out in the context of the podcast.
We've done a little like little outtake video on YouTube of the actual unboxing.
Yeah.
So just, it's on YouTube, but just want to
say formally, thank you to Diane for posting
us the Shipbuilders Union t-shirts.
She visited the birthplace of the captain Kirk
and sent us Federation shipyard shirts and little
coasters.
Oh, the picture on it.
So if anyone else wants to send us anything electronically or otherwise,
and to be presence, that's good.
Yes.
justthepod@prettygrouse.com is an email address where we can cash.
That's what Patreon's for.
We do have Patreon.
So it's secretly just asking for cash.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
It's not so secret.
You may have noticed it's subtlety is out the window.
We're trying so hard to sell out.
Just want the opportunity to sell out one time and I'll be happy anyway.
So we actually came here to talk about Star Trek.
Remember that show.
Yeah.
Look, let's, let's get around to that.
It's like this.
My podcast is the same.
Adam Richard Has a Theory.
Like I do it five times a week.
Yeah.
It's a daily podcast, 10 minutes a day.
And I'm meant to be talking about Doctor Who.
Yeah.
And I think maybe 30 to 60 seconds an episode.
Yeah.
Like we go off on tangents all the time.
Like we spent, we spent a lot of time talking about Doctor Who because
the conceit of this stupid show that we do is that we're watching it in in-universe
chronological order.
Oh, right.
The order that only makes sense if you've seen it all before.
Right.
So like, so we're now up to past tense deep space nine.
Which is the last episode set in the past that we'll be watching.
Yes.
Although when they made it, it was the future.
It was, but it's the past for us.
Yeah. For us.
Yeah.
Because it was only like two days past this week.
Yeah.
Recording.
Yeah.
I mean, we, we, we, we did, we did Picard Season Two live at the Comedy
Festival because Picard Season Two occurred during the Comedy Festival.
Oh, wow.
And yeah.
So which is why Jean-Luc didn't show up.
Yeah.
He was busy.
He was very busy.
He was in Guinan's bar.
Yeah.
Just wasting everyone's time.
That's the other reason why we wanted to do it as a live show is so we didn't
have to do like every episode.
We could just go, yeah, this is all season two.
It's done now.
We're never, never talking about Picard season two again.
Oh, I loved season two of Picard for very strange reasons.
What was the strange?
Well, because look, I've long fantasised about a, one of my favourite episodes of
Dr Who, which I know a lot of people hate is the Tsuranga Conundrum because it's
technically Grey's Anatomy in space.
That's yeah.
And Picard season two spent a lot of time in that clinic.
I'm like, it's Grey's Anatomy in space.
I just haven't gone anywhere.
It's not in space, but it's technically, it's a space show.
Had space people in Grey's Anatomy.
I mean, that was, that was, that was the
same like, you know, with the previous episode,
Carpenter street, which was like CSI: Enterprise.
Oh, I would be totally into CSI in Grey's Anatomy in space.
Smash everything together.
Like a massive, like a child getting Play-Doh and
mashing the different colors together to see what
comes out.
I started watching, I can never remember the name of it because it's prosaic,
but that one with Alan Tudyk and he's the alien who comes to that.
Resident Alien.
So I started watching that because it was kind of advertised as Law and Order
meets ER.
That is not what the show is at all.
Absolutely not.
Wasn't that Alien Nation back in the day?
Oh yeah.
That was it.
That was like a police alien.
Yeah.
The guy with his alien partner.
Yeah.
That was, that was good.
I mean, I, I, I, sorry.
I remember the movie being good.
Yeah.
And there was a series I don't remember a thing about.
Yeah.
No, I watched it.
I'm old.
I remember.
But no, I remember enjoying that because
I, yeah, I just want to see regular genres,
but in space.
Yeah.
That's, you know, Space Tradies.
Yeah.
That's just like, you know, workplace nonsense.
We've got a camera.
We should probably show up.
We should be doing, we should be doing the placement.
Yeah.
Product placement of the book.
What was the other, the other police
procedure that was like I, Robot the series that had
with colour.
Yeah.
That wasn't very good.
I didn't mind it.
I liked it for a little while, but it started to get like the same.
Everybody.
Yeah.
And you're like, it was, it was repetitive at the end.
So he really only needed one season, but I quite liked it.
What was that one?
Almost Human.
Yeah.
Mate.
Yeah.
And they had that guy with those really piecing the blue eyes.
Yeah.
I haven't, I haven't seen that one.
Haven't you?
No, it was good.
It was good.
And then it, and then it wasn't like that.
Like Alien: Romulus.
It's like, oh, this is really good.
Oh, I haven't seen it yet.
So no spoilers.
That's not a spoiler.
It's really good until it isn't.
That's disappointing.
It does not stick to landing is what you're saying.
For about half of it.
No, but you'll enjoy it for a while.
As soon as it starts to annoy you, just leave.
Yeah.
I was planning on this being the one I saw in the cinema because I haven't,
because just for the moment, like I just can't believe I've got the opportunity to
see an alien film in the cinema.
Oh yeah.
Which has not been a thing for a while.
I went to see it at the IMAC.
I went and saw, what was the last one?
Alien, the Prometheus sequel.
Oh yes.
Covenant.
I saw that in the cinemas and that I shouldn't have seen.
Oh no, that was good in the cinemas.
I dig those.
I really dig the Prometheus stuff.
You know, the reason that was good in the
cinema is because it's good to be with a room full
of people all laughing at one fingering joke,
which I think was meant to be a joke at the time.
But it's funny.
Yeah.
This is why I regret that I never got to see cats in the cinema.
Oh man, that was a lot.
I just had it described to me as like, yo, too late.
It's like, you should go and see cats in the
cinema because you're never going to see this
sort of pain wreck to see this kind of thing
going this wrong on this kind of scale in a cinema.
You will.
You could have.
You could have gone to see that one with Jamie Lee Curtis and Kate Blanchard.
That's the same thing.
Which one was that?
The Borderlands.
Oh yeah.
No, we were just, we were discussing that off mic.
Might have, you know, obtained that less than legally.
Didn't see it in the, didn't see it in the cinemas, but have obtained a comic.
It was fun.
I work with a guy who did a podcast where they watched cats over and over again.
It was horrific.
And then they hosted like a live screening for people who'd gotten into there.
It was a Ben Elwood and my brain has gone.
Anyway, release the butthole cut.
Release the butthole cut.
Yes, absolutely.
The guy who had to go back and-
Rebel Wilson licking her own ass.
I'm not going to go there.
Was that the audition?
What was the other terrible, the Atlas
shrug that you wanted to do a live viewing of?
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Like the Ayn Rand thing.
Yeah.
Because there was the trilogy.
They did the trilogy.
They made the trilogy.
And every movie they couldn't, the budget went
down a notch because they couldn't get the same
cast because they'd like, it was just hilarious
that they made all three movies in this trilogy.
And if every point the free market was telling them to stop.
The irony.
Yeah.
I love it.
Oh, the delicious irony.
But yeah, but I've never seen it.
I want to see these movies, but I don't, I just,
I don't even want to be judged by the pirate bay.
See, this is, this is the joy of my job.
I've worked on hard quiz as a senior writer.
So my algorithm is a mess.
Yeah. Because I have to like people come on our show
with the most ridiculous topics and then I've
got to look them up.
You got to look up for the questions.
You like the things that the algorithm thinks I want to buy.
I'm like, no, I don't actually like this.
It's not my thing, but sure.
Send me some tractors.
Yeah.
Totally.
I mean, you, you, you get some of that for some of our previous quiz questions.
Oh, I absolutely do.
We, we, we did a very low budget quiz for
comedy festival that had very obscure questions that
I was the question writer on that.
It's hard, isn't it?
It's not easy.
No, but like most of it was just like me info dumping about stupid shit that I know
about like the scientist Joe Davis, who
like built a laser that he shot at tornadoes,
not to stop them, just to say, fuck you nature.
And he beamed the sound of the vaginal
constrict, contractions of the Boston's ballet into space.
I don't even understand what that word, that sentence means.
No, I understand all the things in the sentence recorded in the sound of it.
No, I get it, but I don't understand it.
The best, best, the reason why he did it.
You know why he did it?
Because fuck Carl Sagan.
That's why that was literally his reason.
Is how up there listening.
I don't know.
The man's a mental case.
I love that.
I love that he's, he's, you know, he's
started with a really wonky premise, but he's like,
I'm still going to see it through.
Yeah.
As well.
Come to our podcast.
He's like 50% artists, 50% like just part of this performance art.
You can do anything and call it performance.
Technically a sign.
Like if you're a comedian, you don't get laughs.
You can call that exactly.
It's the same thing.
We should pivot.
That's why you do Melbourne fringe and not not comedy festival.
Yeah.
So Star Trek.
Oh my God.
That's right.
We came here for a reason.
Well, no, no, no, this is like, we thought
like, yeah, this is one of the best episodes
that we've had so far.
It's so good.
Like I watched it over the last few days and it's as good as I remember.
Except I don't remember the excuse for going back in time being as bad as it was.
Yeah.
Just a chronotons in the transport.
What about the invisible singularity?
Yeah.
It's just just, oh, that happened to be there.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
They didn't even try and look fair.
It's fine.
Whatever they do is going to be made up crap anyway.
Yeah.
They might as well just well, the hand waving.
Oh, I know.
I just think it didn't do it for me was O'Brien cottoning on and going, well, I,
obviously now I can figure it out.
I got this idea.
He could have just like, I could have just as easily bought like weird shit happen.
I don't know.
I suspect like it.
Cole Meaney's performance felt like he'd just been told.
Like they're like, oh, we've realized we haven't explained this properly.
So look, here's your new dialogue.
And it's like, oh, not new pages.
I never sound convincing when I do new pages.
Oh, man.
He's our absolute hero.
He's so good.
There was an interview he did not long ago
that was like, he was on some show and they said,
you know, all the dialogue, all the techno babble, because you were the,
basically the engineer of that show.
Did it ever make you feel stupid?
And he's just gone.
Do you feel stupid in that hat?
Well, you know, you know, what happened was
apparently I remember reading a thing that
Terry Farrell had a lot of trouble with the techno babble.
So they kept having to give it to O'Brien.
Like he'd have to wander into a scene to
explain the things that she was meant to know.
Because she's the science officer.
But like she just, like she didn't sound
convincing when she was doing techno babble.
So they're like, look, we love her as an actor.
We love the character.
We just might make her do this thing that she's bad at.
I mean, like Scotty never had much techno babble in the original series.
Like he's holding it together with chicken wire and string.
I'm in a technical job.
I don't explain, you know, in terminology.
I was like, I just saw it.
Look, it's fucked and I'm handling.
It's not worth it.
It's fucked.
Give me a minute.
It won't be fucked anymore.
Yeah.
Go away.
O'Brien's and like the whole reason that the defiance left
normal when the rest of the Federation gets deleted because
Oh yeah.
That was like, it's just like, because reasons.
They could have said quantum entanglement and I would have been like,
Oh cool.
They're entangled with them.
Yeah.
So they're stuck in their own unit.
That's fine.
But then they're just like, Oh no, we were in a subspace bubble.
It's always a subspace bubble.
I would have liked it if they'd actually skip.
I mean, I know they needed something for the
other characters to do to be actively involved,
but if they'd not done that, you never would have answered the question.
Was Cisco always Gabriel Bell on?
Yeah.
Because by deleting the Federation doing that time thing,
they established that originally he wasn't.
He has actually stepped in and replaced the guy.
If they hadn't done that, it would have always been ambiguous.
You would always have gone, maybe he was always Gabriel Bell.
Also, I didn't love the alleged comic relief of going to different eras and
the piece in the Paramount backlog.
You got a real workout.
They really did.
I read in the trivia, like this is the first
time they've used it since like the middle of
TNG like three or something.
So they really got their use out of it.
Just to go, okay, and we're going to redress it as this.
Okay, fine.
And the guy doing the hippie, doing like walking like he's like doing a cartoon.
Oh, yeah.
It was a very odd choice.
Visual jokes on an audio podcast.
I'm enjoying it.
Apparently, apparently that like in the backlog scene,
when they go to like the 1940s, the 1930s one, there's a poster
in the background of a boxing match.
That's the same poster of the boxing match as
was in a city on the average edge of forever.
Oh, wow.
Michael Okuda just wanted to put that in.
So he wanted to put that in just to say, well,
the Deep Space Nine crew could have been there
at the same time as the car can go.
Like, imagine if Molly, but no, if I, if I'm
being done that I would have put miles in the car
that ran over.
Just just a stroke eating its own tail.
He was a Starfleet officer as well.
Fuck it.
Poor Edith.
I mean, sure, she ended up being a Nazi, but poor Edith.
Jim could have saved her.
Jim could have saved her from being a Nazi or just in general?
Oh, just in general.
Just in general.
Yeah.
She would have been a better person with him.
Yeah.
There is kind of like, I feel like there's
a bit of overlap with this episode and that
episode in that it's like, oh, I now have to insert myself into history.
Like, it's, you know, it's very much like a, it's, there's a homage to it.
Yeah.
Like plot wise, this is their first mention of
there being any kind of like temporal directives
from Starfleet.
Yeah.
This is the first time I ever mentioned, like
your Starfleet has given us the instructions.
If you find yourself displaced in time, I, you know, like you put down there.
Do shit wrong.
Yeah.
Don't be Kirk.
Even if those rules existed with Kirk, Kirk would have looked at them just going,
ah, fuck it.
Does it involve me having sex with a nice lady?
No, I'm not doing that.
Predestination paradox, baby.
I'm my own grandpa.
This is not Judd Zia's first trip back.
No, she knows what to do.
She knows how to fish for information without giving anything away.
This is not the first time she's woken up
yet and had to figure out what year it was.
It was the most competent one.
It's just like, oh, you've been jacked.
What sounds like an unfortunate thing.
Sure.
That night at the symposium must have been huge.
I don't remember any of it.
But also the deck symbiont might actually have been around.
Probably.
Yeah.
One of the previous hosts was an improv comic.
I'm just going to yes hand until I figure out what's going on.
Yes, and my way into the rich person's fucking house.
It helps that she's stunning.
Like I love that they ran with that.
They've gone, okay, we've hired the most attractive
woman on the face of the earth to play this alien.
Yeah.
Let's really lean into it.
Yeah.
I received Stephen bear bear bear bear.
Like he did say that like it was, it was a subtle commentary that the, you know,
the attractive lady got, got looked after.
Whereas the two brown blokes just get chucked into an open air prison.
Yeah.
That's subtle.
Yeah.
Very subtle.
Ira.
Thanks for the time.
It was watching this when it happened.
Although I think it was one of this is one of when
I used to buy the $20 BHS before they came on the.
Oh, yes.
Those were the days I had a big collection.
You remember getting friends in the US to post you VHS tapes.
I never did that.
No, I wish I had.
That's how I saw the first episodes of Voyager.
Oh, wow.
I got the NTSC tape posted in via VHS from friends in the US.
And we had this precious little gem and we go around to like the friends place who
could play NTSC on their thing and was like,
I did that with enterprise.
I went to like a gay science fiction club
and they'd managed to get their hands on it.
I think it was just like somewhere people went to hook up.
It's not just a science.
Star Trek and then bomb.
But yeah, it was and they'd gotten a hold of enterprise,
which everyone was very excited about because they had Diane more.
And so
Oh, my priority.
It's very different.
I remember having
we should try that version for karaoke next time.
Which should we should we I don't think so.
That was how we ended comedy festival.
We did both of the heart of karaoke at the expert.
That was oh, my God.
It was about 2am.
It was it was just like that very much drew a line under the whole.
The video on YouTube.
Now it's time to go home.
I think just doing karaoke at the expert is time to go home.
Yeah, pretty well, pretty much.
As instead like I was I was I was there till like 6am in the morning.
It's you know, you were not you and Diane left.
Yeah, we got a we got a cab just like we like we called it.
Yeah, I was there till stupid in the morning.
So you could not have been see you've got the
you you you you're probably making the excuse
like well, I can pretty much walk home from here like well, you're not like,
yo, I need to get a taxi.
I need to get a train.
It's technically within walking distance, but I couldn't walk.
No, I know.
I realize that but it's like I know if I had
that in my head, I would keep making excuses.
Yeah, I don't have a there's no nothing scheduled that I need to organize.
Yeah, I know that at any moment I could if I needed to just
roll downhill until I ended up vaguely near my front door.
Yeah.
Yeah, I that's yeah, I once was at the expert until
I don't know when and then ended up somewhere else.
Less alubrious.
And then got a call at like, I don't know, it was like 11am.
Asking if I was coming to this uni gig in the
afternoon that I was meant to be at like then.
Yeah.
I think the worst one of the extra for me is like I still like at the expert.
Having beers, everything going well, scene missing.
I'm arm wrestling Chris Franklin.
Oh, if you're at the expert, I think you have to.
Chris took me as his support act to do a tour of Tasmania.
When his single, when his single bitch was in the
charts, when it was illegal to be gay in Tasmania.
Oh, oh, oh, I was like, you are the best.
I love you.
This is so much fun.
It was awesome.
I have fond memories of the tail end of that
era because like it was it was so unenforced.
There was a point where like couples were walking into police stations and handing
over signed confessions.
Yeah.
And the police were just going, just please, please.
Yeah.
Just like we're not because it was, yeah, all
it was was just like, just take it off the books.
Yeah.
And the whole idea is like people walking in
with signed confessions to police stations.
That was objectively hilarious.
Weirdly, it went from being completely illegal
to having the most advanced laws before marriage
quality that you could sign over your superannuation to your gay partner.
Like that was nowhere else could you do that.
Yeah.
And that was nothing.
I mean, that's what you get for holding back for so long.
It's like, yeah, you just like you have to make progress at once.
Yeah.
That's like all of it.
And now we stop for the next 50 years.
No more.
Yeah.
We get enough progress for you.
We get one, one, one, one progress every 20 years.
Speaking of Tasmania, why did that guy want to go to Tasmania?
Because Errol Flynn was there.
Oh, that's right.
He's from Tasmania.
He was a fan of Errol Flynn.
I guess.
I did.
You know, that kind of felt like a weird bit
of prescience because, you know, apparently
a lot of very wealthy people are buying up
land in Tasmania because it's thought to be one of
the only places on earth that is going to be vaguely habitable.
So they're all building the billionaire bunkers there.
Yeah.
Kind of digging it into the side of the mountains and.
Oh my God.
There's a hell of a premise for a sci-fi.
Yeah.
A billionaire Island.
Billionaire Island and it's Tasmania.
I quite liked Tasmania.
I don't want to wish that on them.
No, I know.
That's beautiful.
Then although they're shutting down the dairy anyway, that's King Island.
King Island.
Dairy's shutting down Canadian owner doesn't want to run it anymore.
So I couldn't find a buyer.
Get your King Island cheese while you still can.
Great cheese.
It's good cheese.
That is, I don't know why it's not profitable, but like it's, I don't know.
Anyway, it's, I'm nearly not here because of King Islanders.
Like a motor mind.
An old mate of mine is like, he used to like, yeah, but you like,
yeah, into like, he used to like your crew yachts and things.
He was like, he was like, he was like, he was a, no, no, no, no.
He was like, yeah, he, he, he was like one of
the guys who'd like you in the Sydney to Hobart.
Oh, they do the Sydney to Hobart yacht race.
And then they hire people to take the yachts back.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And he was the billionaires don't want to find the only one anymore.
We've done the race.
We've done it one way.
We've done the race.
I was like, I'm not going to like, you know, pee in a bucket again.
But they'd have all these crews who'd like, you know, just like,
you're just high up and just like sell things back.
And he used to do that and he was sailing.
He'd really restore boats and he had a little wooden yacht of his own.
It was like, get down and some kiddo.
It was called Equinox.
It was a little thing.
It was like, it was lovely little, you know,
it was a nice little thing.
We used to like get very, very drunk sometimes, you know, like, yeah.
Yeah.
A patent here.
Yeah.
I know it's, it's been a theme of the episode and I don't know.
I feel like I'm enabling it.
I haven't, I haven't been drunk in 11 years, but
one night we were absolutely convinced that we wanted Irish coffees and we came
up with a plan that we were going to sail to King Island to get some cream.
No, that's not, not a good plan.
And that, that was easier than the seven.
All I can say is it made sense at the time.
Drunk logic is so berserk.
But I think the thing was like, we didn't have much diesel in the engine to like,
get out of the, you know, the marina and thing.
It was like, yeah, exactly.
So, you know, I'm yeah, I remember once in
my, you know, misspent youth and I misspent
enough for about six people.
I rather than call a locksmith because I locked myself out of my house.
I lived in this like two story flat in Drummond Street in Carlton.
I just thought it would be easier to climb up the outside of the building,
like Spider-Man and climb in through my window that was slightly open.
It's so easy when he does it.
Like it looks so easy.
I mean, I did it.
I was 19.
I was very thin.
I could fit through a window in those days.
Now I'd need like a crane to get me even off the ground.
I don't think I could climb.
I mean, some of those old places that they actually have the little things
sticking out with the hook for the, for the rope and they have the, for the pulley.
Oh, maybe.
Oh no, this is like this place built in the 80s.
Oh, okay.
So it's not one of the historic old ones.
Like, no, I just know there's some places in Kelner like,
yeah, grain lift.
Oh, so you could get the piano up to the top floor.
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
There's still some of those jutting out here and there.
Oh yeah.
No, I didn't live anywhere.
Good.
No, I think I've only ever seen those in cartoons where they're dropping a piano.
Yeah.
I was like, I mean, in my living in Calton
phase, I lived next door to the lead singer
of things of stone and wood.
That's my, that's my claim to fame.
That's the closest we get.
Six degrees of stone and wood.
Well, Helen from happy birthday, hell on the song borrowed my egg beater once.
To make a birthday cake.
Fun times.
You're like a cred.
I'm part of the scene, you know, down with the, down with the hip youth.
Look at you.
God.
I'm well in the nineties, I was a hip.
In the nineties, I was a barely a teenager.
What is time?
What is it?
I, I would also happen in the nineties, the bell riots, the bell riots.
They were in 2024.
They happened this year.
They made the show about the bell riots.
It was a magnificent segue back to what was supposed to be.
It's appreciated, but also it was clumsy.
You know, if you do it as a segue, then you
got to leave the whole thing in to fit it in.
Exactly.
That's why sometimes I'll just go anyway.
Anyway, is my, is my favourite segue.
We started doing the like the Star Trek bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.
They used to send me to sleep.
I couldn't be watching one of my $20 VHS and
be like, let's have it on in the background.
Well, you wouldn't believe some of the creative editing.
I was like, I've, I've just changed reality of
what happened in the podcast a few times by just
like swapping bits around.
And it's like, and this sentence intersects with the sentence too.
And again, 30 minutes later and it's like, I was AI for an entire episode.
See if you can pick which one I've had to do that weird creative editing.
I do a podcast called me.
I am a memoir.
The meaning of the meaning of Mariah Carey.
About her memoir, which is called the meaning of Mariah Carey.
And recently I don't know how it came up, but
it had a, it had a problematic gestation period
where we were saying, oh, we're going to have to cut this out.
And then we started talking about that Zac Efron and Nicole Kidman movie and how he
maybe had a flashlight made out of the skin
that was left over when she got her last place.
But I wanted to leave that bit in because it was funny.
But the problematic beginning, I had to do some
chippity choppy, very creative chippity choppy.
Anyway, now I've said it on three different podcasts.
I need everyone to be just as scarred by this idea.
No, that's, that's, yeah, that's going to keep me up at night.
That's, that's, that's terrific.
If your link works, your link works, you've got to have it.
You've got to have your link works.
We talking about Zac Efron's?
No.
I've never heard it called a link before.
The great is that the great link.
No, I don't know.
And occasionally that one, occasionally they just get thrown away.
Don't that one's gone.
Anyway, the bell riots, the bell riots, the impetus of which was to go to Tasmania.
Tasmania because like old mates, I've forgotten the character name.
BC or something.
Yeah.
BC or something.
Apparently a bit of trivia that I read was
like most of the characters are named after
either actors or characters from the magnificent seven.
Oh, wow.
So you've got, you've got a Brenner, uh, was named after your Brenner.
His name's Chris Brenner and you'll bring a played a character called Chris in the
Magnificent seven.
Yeah.
Um, and a bunch of others anyway.
So you just point my mind.
Cause like, I remember noticing like, I don't
know if you noticed like when we were having
lunch earlier, there was a poster for the magnificent seven.
I was going to bring, I was going to bring it
up then, but then I thought I'd save it for the
podcast.
And here we are.
I was only looking at the poster going, Oh, they should do a sci-fi at it.
I should have the magnificence.
Oh, they did.
Yeah.
The magnificence is pretty.
Oh, Iggy pop.
The, that was the episode Iggy pop was in.
Apparently Iggy pop was supposed to be the lunatic character in, in part two.
Oh, the Clint Howard.
Yeah.
Clint Howard.
He was supposed to be Clint Howard, but he wasn't available at the time.
So they got Clint Howard to do it.
I love the Clint Howard has been in just about every iteration of Star Trek.
Almost.
He's, was he in TNG?
Anyway, but he was in, um, strange new worlds recently.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He was a dad barrel or something.
No, he was on the ground in that episode
where, uh, the doctor and nurse chapel were
taking the drugs to make them super.
Oh, he was in that episode.
Yeah.
That's right.
I liked that episode.
I like all of the strange new worlds.
Yeah.
I don't like what captain daddy's posting on the internet now, but I do like.
Really?
I love captain daddy.
Yeah.
Cap space.
Daddy's my favourite.
Yeah.
Captain daddy's a bit doubtful about genocide in Palestine.
Oh, yeah.
I haven't seen any of those.
I go.
Good.
Just keep him in your mind.
Anyway, he's an actor, not space daddy.
He's a real
we can still ship space daddy.
It's fine.
I was watching a, like a quiz, the Star Trek, the Trek expert quiz.
And one of the questions was about the Admiral in from discovery.
What's his first name?
And my immediate reaction was daddy.
Admiral daddy.
That's his name.
Admiral daddy.
Admiral daddy from the mummy.
Exactly.
That's his name forever.
Hot Admiral daddy from the mom.
And this I'm the, I'm the straight one.
I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, and even I can't, you can't, no one's that straight.
No, not for space.
Daddy.
No, Admiral daddy.
It's a sexuality space.
A human.
Then you're attracted to space daddy.
You've got a pulse.
Congratulations.
If you're not human 50, 50.
Anyway, I love that they finally cast
someone as a Starship captain, where you go, yeah,
I believe people would want to have sex with them.
Whereas a lot of them you're like, really this many people with that one.
I mean, yeah, I mean, poor Janeway.
She just had to come up with a couple of holograms.
Yeah.
Delete the wife.
She got some salamander time.
I do love that there was no problematic
sexual politics in 2024, which was a surprise.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe they just didn't have time to show it.
They were focused on one particular issue
rather than we're not going to do everything
in one episode.
We've only got a limited amount of time.
Would have been better if I'd done that bit.
Probably.
You can act or watch on.
It's a podcast.
No one can see.
It's going to be audio.
You can do that clip for the buddy, for the, for the high Patreon fans,
fan, one of them, whatever that is.
I think we've got three now.
A three.
Good Lord.
We've tripled our viewers.
We got publicize it more.
We probably should.
No, don't.
Marketing.
We're bad at marketing.
Terrible marketing.
Publicities.
No, not, not the, it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
And it's all digital.
Everybody prints it on paper anymore.
People barely print money on paper.
Oh, except ABC publicity.
They like to print out a meme and hand it around.
Just comes through with her on the fax machine.
Ah, I get that.
It's funny.
I'll pop that in my drawer.
My intro.
There was some, when I worked at Monash
university back in, it would have been the year 2000.
The guy who was normally the director of computing in the department,
had this habit of like, if you emailed him, he would print out the email,
write his reply on the piece of paper and put it in your pigeonhole in the office.
Oh, that's cute.
And at the time I mocked him, now I believe he did nothing wrong.
Yeah.
Now I believe, no, he, he saw more clearly than any of us.
Like you can't re, you know, change this
with your, with your little computer business.
A friend of mine had a job for an accountant.
Her entire job was just converting documents to PDF.
And she got paid very well for it.
Like save as pretty much was her job.
That was her job.
Like, like they, they email her like the word document.
Can you convert this to PDF?
And it's like, yes.
It's a pull down menu at the end.
Fucking the time that you've emailed it,
she's emailed it, but you could have done this.
But anyway, that's just, yeah.
Yeah.
And there's, that's one of my favourite Star Trek memes.
I think it's, um, the wharf just like kind of, you know, that one where he's like,
oh, I was looking really frustrated.
And it just says, uh, someone who gets paid more
than you asking you if you can save something as a PDF.
Yeah.
It's my favourite of the moment is the, the Darmak and Jalal, but like it's,
it's referencing actual names as, as, as like, Dicaprio pointing.
That's funny.
That's been amusing made mostly.
What was the one that came to me like, yeah, like, you know,
Bush on the deck, his banner unfurled.
I would love to, I would have loved if
whenever they got on their gigantic internet machine,
in past tense that like, first they have,
they were like laughing at memes and then going,
Oh no, we should actually do the thing.
Contact the outside world before we cycle through 4,000 pages of Instagram here.
Yeah.
The desk size computer with, with a screen about that big.
I know.
It was so good.
To hide the fact that it was an interface.
A cathode range tube in the back.
Literally, I had the curves.
I know, it's so cute.
This is the thing they always messed up in all the early Star Trek.
It's like, no one ever predicted the changes in aspect ratio.
No, that is true.
I mean, they did have a video call.
They had a conversation, but the person talking
to, you know, when they were talking to the police,
Captain Woman, they didn't have their own little
picture that they were spending more time looking
at than her.
Because that's what everyone does.
They're like, look at my hair.
Oh, you're talking.
Sorry.
Just making sure you're not pulling weird faces when someone says something stupid.
No, I can't look like that.
I can't, I can't look like I actually feel during this conversation.
Like, can everyone turn their cameras on, please?
I like to see your faces.
Fuck off.
No.
No, I, I'm, I know I told you before we
started recording, I was a 53 year old undergraduate
student and the first couple of years were
during lockdown and I was the only one with
their camera on.
Yeah.
Like everyone who's in their 20s is like, nah.
And it felt weird.
I was like, people like to look at yourself.
That's what TikTok was all about.
But not in a Zoom meeting.
That's a very curated version of yourself, which is putting on TikTok.
All the filters, all of the editing that goes into TikTok.
The Zoom's got all those.
Yeah. If you want to.
Anyway.
And a lawyer.
That would have been amazing if the police
was like, yeah, I'm not turning my camera on.
I haven't done my hair today.
They went and saw the policewoman like in person.
Yeah.
Which is weird.
Like they've got hostages and you're just going out to negotiate in open air with,
they've got shotguns.
It's like, that's not going to happen.
If they've got hostages.
Yeah.
Because there was like, I mean, they didn't show up because of the budget,
but there was potentially hundreds of people supposedly there.
Yeah.
But yeah, I kind of liked all that part of it.
That bit felt sort of real for some reason.
I don't know why.
Because a lot of it didn't seem very real, especially when they went to the 60s.
Nah, yeah.
They've gone to the 60s and met up with Gary Severn too.
Oh yeah.
Gazzar.
Gazzar and his weird daughter.
And the cat that turns into a human sometimes.
Yeah.
Well, it's supposedly one of the most violent periods of American history.
It doesn't seem that violent.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you know, if they have predicted
the future, the whole ACAB thing feels very real.
Aside from the jumpsuits that they're wearing with the two zips down the front,
that was an odd fashion choice.
They want to touch on regret regretting
those Maori tribal tattoos we all got in the 90s.
That was hilarious.
That was a very funny moment.
From someone that spent a lot of time at gay bars.
In the 90s, I can tell you that was a thing.
Okay, good.
We were discussing before if it was a thing or not.
I was 12 in the 90s, so I was like, I don't...
And I was a goth.
Yeah.
We had like seven, eight layers.
Anyone who had even a hint of a bicep had one.
It was a whole thing.
I knew people that got them when, like when Underbelly was out,
the Benji Veneman, like that look.
The sudden full sleeve, overnight full sleeve.
I've got a cousin that got that, but he got it to
cover up the Southern Cross tattoo that he already had.
So he's got...
True.
Do I want to look like a racist or a Collingwood player?
He went somewhere in between.
He's not going to listen to this. It's fine.
They're the only people I've ever seen who just
suddenly turn up one day with a full sleeve tattoo.
It's like, normally the full sleeve happens over a long period of time.
Like you get one and then you get another one and then you get another one.
And then you get like this full sleeve, but like
Collingwood players seem to just come back from summer.
Appears.
And like, "Hi!"
But one full arm of tattoos now.
It's a lot.
Yeah, seems like it.
Just woke up one morning and there it was.
There it was.
You do not wake up with a full sleeve.
Like that is a lot of being stabbed with a
needle over and over and over and over again.
I suppose when you're getting paid $50,000 a
game, you got nothing to do over the summer.
Yeah, might as well.
What else are you going to do?
It keeps you out of clubs and being abusive to people.
It doesn't though.
For at least one week.
While you're healing.
While the scabs are trying.
All right, now back to it.
They're coming back out there.
That's a good tangent.
Like what other calls did they make about the 2024?
They were correct.
They kept referencing the net, which is like,
does anyone really call it the net anymore?
No, except Sandra Bullock in that movie.
In that movie, which was from 1996.
Yeah.
I don't know why they felt the name to call it something else though.
It's not like the internet was trademarked or anything.
No, they could have just said the internet and no one would.
I think they may have suspected it was trademarked and they were hedging their bet.
Possibly.
Yeah.
I'm just, no, I did style guides.
Yeah.
It was around that period that style guides started saying,
we don't need to capital I the internet.
We don't need to.
It's just a thing.
Yeah.
It's not a brand name.
It's not a, yeah.
And it could have been, it also could have been an upstairs decision.
Like, oh, can you not call it that?
Because we might be able to create our own thing
called the interface at some point and sell it.
And then if we've copyrighted it in an episode of Star Trek, it's there.
Yeah.
I also loved it, but they kept talking
about channels like the internet was broadcast.
And I'll make the medium mogul who's like a
rich bloke, but also is basically Elon Musk.
Yeah.
He was talking about ratings as well.
Yes.
I'm going to get hell of a ratings.
What are you talking about?
Ratings on the internet?
They're not like ratings, they're likes.
I'm going to get so many retweets.
No, we're not retweeting now.
They're reposting because it's X not Twitter.
Yeah.
That sounds so weird.
But yeah, the ratings thing was weird and that they were calling them channels.
And I'm like, yeah, no, we we've moved on from that.
Yeah, we don't have, we don't do that.
But when you, I suppose when you work in network TV, you can't imagine.
No, like you think that's what everyone will want to do forever.
Yeah.
And now there's, we're probably what?
Two, three years away from there being no network TV anymore.
I mean, there's basically no network TV in my life at the moment.
I know.
I work on network television and I haven't watched it in about three years.
Even the stuff that's on network TV that I watch, I watch it on streaming apps,
like on the cat or like on the iview or what have you.
Like I don't, because I want to watch things on my time, not when they decided to.
I'm a master of my own destiny.
I'm not, but whatever.
I had this conversation with my kid at one point.
It was like, yeah, just like who has no conception of a thing being on at a time.
Oh yeah.
It's like, it's either, it's either available or not available.
It's not like, yo, it's on at eight o'clock tonight.
We better be home.
Appointment viewing was such a thing once upon a time.
I mean, I still do, I mean, probably because of my podcast,
I still do doctor who was appointment viewing, but it's seven AM on a Sunday.
That's just not right.
But like, it's also like the whole season dumps at once that drives me insane.
Because like the new season of Stranger Things drops and then a week later,
everyone stops talking about it because it's over.
That's the cultural, it doesn't have the cultural impact was.
I mean, I don't know.
I feel like people were talking about the bear
for a long while and that dropped all in one.
And I think sometimes it can work, but it just, yeah, it depends on the show.
Yeah, it does.
I much prefer the weekly thing because it doesn't put the pressure on me.
It's like, if I want to avoid spoilers, I have
to watch all eight episodes of this this week.
Before I look at the internet again.
Although I've noticed like things that drop all
at once tend not to be like spoilery kind of shows.
Like it's, yeah, I don't know.
I love both modes, but I'm, you know, like the box
set mentality, the dropping all the way mentality.
Like that started with things like Star Trek.
That started with us wanting to watch an entire season.
But that's for a rewatch.
Yeah, for the new one.
That's not for as it comes out.
Like it's like, if Lost came out this like now and dropped all at once,
it wouldn't have had the cultural impact.
No, because it had great cliffhangers.
Yeah.
Because Lost was all about the discussion like on forums and or like between
watercolors, conversations.
I remember recording a bit of the backwards talking and playing it back.
The other way on radio the next morning,
like we're using my very rudimentary skills,
which were to go and ask the audio producer to do a full recording.
Rudimentary social skills.
I know I taped it.
I recorded it.
You hit record.
And then I brought it into and can you turn it around?
I had thing make thing do other things.
Make word not be backward.
But yeah, that was a whole thing.
But and I feel like, yeah, we we just live in
this weird world where the streaming service
itself is the thing that you keep tuning into as
a part like and stop paying for one of the other
ones.
Like that's what they're hoping for by doing some weekly, some drop all at once.
Although I have noticed the ones that drop all at once tend to be,
have like be quick to get through.
Like a bear, for instance, they're only like half hour episodes.
It's not even that.
Or it shows that really you probably wouldn't sustain the weekly vibe.
Like if you watch them every week, you'd be
like, yeah, I don't know if I'm going to watch
the next one.
Whereas if you're just sitting there, you're like, oh yeah, just get through it.
Get on with it.
I don't want to waste another night of let's just waste this evening.
Yes.
And not another evening next week.
I feel like someone has watched them and gone.
Yeah, no one wants to watch the third episode.
If they think they have to get through them
all so they can talk about it the next day,
that's probably the only way we're going to get anyone's read episode.
But it's also expanding what should be just like one off movies into
There is a trend that I do like in some of these things.
I think we're seeing in like some of the Star
Wars ones where the episodes aren't made to a
length.
They're made to how long they need to be.
Yeah.
They're not trying to go, we're going to make this 43 minutes.
I love that in concept.
Yeah.
But in execution, I don't know if either of you watch the third series of the Seth
MacFarlane Star Trek.
The third series where I was like, oh, nah,
this would have been so much better as 45 minutes.
I don't want this extra 20 minutes.
I don't know why it's here.
Yeah.
Why am I still watching this?
It's been an hour and 10 minutes.
Editing does need to be a thing.
Yeah.
You need to cut like you need to keep it, you know, watchable.
Don't Zack Snyder and make it four hours in a weird aspect ratio.
Oh my God.
The thing I like is like, if you get to the
edit and you realize you only have 23 minutes of
good stuff, they only, you only need to push out 23 minutes.
You don't need to like find another 20 minutes or a B plot.
You don't need to do that.
Yeah.
You know, do that.
But also you could remove whole storylines.
I tried watching that Acolyte show the other
day because I've been playing the Star Wars
Lego on my PlayStation and I love it.
And I was like, oh, I'll watch the new one
and then tweeted about it and got involved
in some kind of war on the internet.
There's all like Star Wars.
I mean, Star Trek is often bad enough on social media, but
it's just, yeah, or doctor who's the same.
There's just so much fucking discourse that
it's just like, it's, oh, this is bad and I
don't like it.
And there's a woman main character and they're,
I thought I was making a funny joke, which
was, so I was like 20 minutes in and it's,
you know, nothing was really happening, but it was, it was on.
And I, I had heard that it was, you know, the work star was and they've ruined it
because it's too woke.
So I made a joke.
I'm like, oh my God, this, I can't believe this.
Everyone's right.
This is way too woke for Star Wars.
I mean, obviously this green woman's just here for diversity quota,
which I thought was funny.
Then I just got inundated with people who were angry that the woman that played the
green woman was the lesbian partner of the
show runner and they're somehow responsible
for everything they go.
It's nepotism.
I'm like nepotism is not woke.
I don't know if you remember the Trump one.
Or, or, or new.
Or new.
I know it's starting to 16th century with popes, popes who would hire their nephews
and nephews inverted commas children.
Because nepotism is from stems from an Italian word for nephew.
But yeah, like it's, I, I, then people were angry at me because they,
it was a really good character and they'd ruined it with the way that cars.
I'm like,
it's just, it's not that serious.
Star Wars shouldn't be that serious.
It never was like, it never used to be.
It's space wizards.
It's space magic.
Like it's, it's why you're getting all up in our handle was great, but like,
and there was amazing,
most of it's just a bit, you know, like magical people doing magical stuff.
People like you're getting really angry about all.
They added a new things.
The force can do that.
That happened in every single one of the original movies.
Yeah.
Every movie was like they brought up, so they invented some new force thing.
The ones that can do this now.
And, and, and we all were fine with it.
They were just hit with some point where it was like, yeah, at some point,
someone's like, okay, they have added enough now.
This is lock it in.
What they should be angry about is that
there were people on the outside of the spaceship
in a spacesuit, obviously, because there's some sort of vacuum in Star Wars space
and they were tethered to the ship because obviously there's no gravity out there.
But for some reason, there also is a fire.
And I'm like, well, because reasons you get angry about that.
It's my conduits.
It's the same.
It's the Tasmania thing again.
It says that this is enough progress.
We're not doing anything more.
Yes.
Nothing new.
I see.
We see now.
Now we can't lose either bit.
Yeah.
Now, and then you just made an editing decision.
And now, now because I've said that I've
got to kick the meta discussion about editing.
I'm sure everyone who listens to this realizes there's some sort of editing.
What else can we do a call back to the magic?
Certainly not any of the events of Star Trek past.
I don't leave all that out.
Yeah.
Why would we talk about that?
It's a really good episode.
I mean, it's a really good episode.
I love a Dick Miller, like great to see Dick Miller who's been in, you know,
every eighties movie ever playing the same character.
He always plays.
He's found a type and he's gone for his career out of there.
Hey, is this a steady job and I'm just a working man?
He's like the epitome of the job's worth, isn't he?
In everything ever.
And often in a horror movie, he gets killed for having that attitude.
Yeah.
I'm just a working stiff here to do my job.
I love him.
He's so great.
But I mean, that's him as an actor.
I was like, he's just a working actor who
shows up and says the lines and does the job.
Goes home.
He's so great.
I love it.
And also Bill Smitrovich, who I really love
in, he used to be for a long time was one of the
prosecutors in the practice.
Oh, okay.
Which I used to love.
And yeah, he was the, he was the gimme that, you know, had the son.
Yeah.
He's really great.
Yeah.
He's, he's, yeah.
I used to love the practice when I was out and I remember very little of it now.
It's never watched that one.
No, it's so good.
It's on the Disney plus with everything else.
Because there was, there was the practice
then there was, was Boston legal spinoff of?
Yeah.
So there was the practice and then there was
like Boston public, which was the school one.
And there was Boston legal that had Shatner and James Spader.
And well, the last series of the practice is
essentially the first series of Boston legal.
Because so the reason all these Star Trek shows
go for seven years is because the actors get like
a three and three contract, three years,
and then an option for another three years.
And then they can tack on one extra year, usually for not that much money.
But after you go to, if you wanted to go to
season eight, like suddenly everyone's getting
paid stupid amounts of money and unaffordable,
which is why Terry Farrell leaves at the end of
series six.
Cause it's like, yeah, no, I'm out.
I don't want the extra year.
But Boston legal like started because they did an eight series of the practice
with like two actors from the original series.
And they brought in James Spader.
Government of everyone else.
And just all these people, like I think Vince Colosimo was in it for like, yeah.
So because they got to the eighth series where it was like, I can't afford that.
That's like when everyone talks about game
of thrones being, you know, that last series,
like everything happening too quickly.
It's like, well, their other option was to keep going for another four seasons,
but they would have to recast everyone
because Cersei was getting paid a million dollars to
sip wine for two years.
You can get it.
I mean, also there, the actors are aging faster than time is moving.
There was also that factor happening quite a lot.
I mean, there's only so much you can like, yo, fudge the timeline.
And it's like, yo, do things.
So the fact that like, yo, you did pass literal
children in year one who are no longer literal
children.
Yeah. You know?
So yeah, it's, it's yeah.
Like that's, that's kind of like the weird reality of these shows is like,
I want them to go for effort.
It's like, yeah, you also have to put it with everyone getting old.
Yeah.
And the story's moving on without you, but yeah, it's yeah.
No, like I have no problems with like the broad
strokes of the final season of game of Thrones.
Like, yeah, it was like, but yeah, it was like, it was too compressed.
It was just way too.
They just couldn't keep it going.
It had to be, I'm glad it came to a close rather than just abruptly going, well,
we can't do this.
And Benny off and Weiss wanted to go and make this stupid fucking civil war.
What if the South won the civil war?
Oh my God.
Like they wanted to do that.
Instead they went off and did, what is it?
Three body problem.
Three body problem instead, which is better.
But I think, I think they were, someone actually said to them,
you know, the implication of making a show about what if the South won?
They're like, Oh yeah.
So there's a lot of people who are in
government at the moment who would like it too much.
Yeah.
They did that Bill and Kay Dick one and everyone was fine with it.
I mean, that was really good, but also they
didn't have any black people in it until the last.
There's a, yeah, a bit of a problem.
Just like in real life.
But yeah, it was, I really liked that the, the man in the high castle,
which weirdly we watched.
That was one of those shows that we watched like week on week out.
And then for some reason didn't watch it
for five years and then watched all of them.
I think I mean, I think I'm in the currently in the five years window.
I watched like the first episode and then went and like,
then I've read about what happens later and I've just gone,
that's the same, is that the same show?
Yeah.
It's weird shit.
That goes really fucking off.
It's like, did you watch fringe?
Yes.
Yeah.
I love fringe was so good.
Cause it was like, Oh, it's like, it's just monster of the week.
Ex-Files thing.
And then you're like, what is happening now?
Wow.
It's like the first few times they're just showing a completely different universe,
but don't actually tell you.
No.
Yeah.
Why is the Statue of Liberty shiny?
Why doesn't it rain on it?
All those, what I loved in that is like,
yeah, just like the subtle little color hints.
Each universe had a theme color.
What was it?
The blue and orange highlights.
It was like something like that.
It's not quite sepia time, but it wasn't even overt.
It was like, there was like little color, lighting color was slightly different.
You only notice it when you go back and rewatch it.
Yeah.
Like it's the same, like even condensing it into like one episode at a time,
each like episode has a reference to the next episode in the sequence.
Yeah.
And like, you only like can do that.
Episode one has a reference to episode two,
but you don't notice it until you've watched
episode two.
So you've got to go back and watch episode one.
It was, it was that sort of rewatchability
of it that just like made me just continue.
Also just some great actors in that show as well.
There was like Anna Torv is incredible in everything, but there was one scene where
her, like it was her friend who died and then he
was alive in another universe and she saw it and
her face registered.
Oh, yeah.
You're here.
And then like, oh, you're not who I thought.
And it's just like no dialogue, nothing.
All in the reaction.
And I'm like, oh man, I reckon this was like three pages and she's gone.
And I can do that with a look.
I was having this discussion online, like about, about seven of nine as well.
Like, cause like Jerry Ryan, like just given
the basically are you all this stoic sort of
Vulcan character, but like, like the, the
subtleties of her performance and what she
gives in like just the quaver of the voice.
So finding out years later that she was in a
constant feud with one of her castmates and
they hated each other.
And you're like, I never see that on the screen.
Yeah.
Like I believe that there's sort of a mental mentee thing going on.
Like you go, okay, you're working even harder
because what's going on at work is terrible.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's just like that sort of you don't get those sort of acting chops very often.
And the fact that it was used like the same,
same thing happened to Jolene Blaylock a little bit.
Like I think she's a school.
She's not.
I was going to say that, but it sounded mean when I, when I thought it, but like,
but like she sort of really the corpse in CSI once she was really good.
Was a murdered show girl.
But like she, she fully killed like, cause
she had like star charts in her, in her trailer
because that's what the poll would have had and that sort of thing.
And then they just sort of made her the soft porn character.
There was like, you got to rub this gel all over yourself.
Now, there's a lot of gel rubbing and closeups of the gel rubbing.
It's like, okay.
I thought she was good in carbon crate.
I thought she was really good in that episode.
That was an episode that we did not long ago.
Oh yeah.
Cause you're going chronologically.
But even in carbon Creek, they had a scene where she's got to get changed
and they have the silhouette of like behind a white sheet.
And it's like, oh, you put the dress on backwards.
You see Vulcan.
You'll have to go behind the sheet and take it off and put it back on again.
It's like, it's just, you know, it's very like the opening credits of a bond movie.
Yeah.
It's like, okay.
I yeah.
I started to suspect with some of enterprise that it was like,
Oh no, this has been some notes from the net.
Yeah.
It's need more boob.
Yeah.
Tits an ass please.
Just they come in and cry on tits.
Why is Barbie Vulcan still dressed?
Why?
Yeah.
Or love.
Yay.
Sexism.
Yeah.
But yeah, I again, going back to past tense, it's amazing how, you know,
that Terry Farrell's character is allowed to be have agency same with, you know,
major Kirish doesn't do much in this episode,
but yeah, the, the female, I think it feels like
DS nine was so left alone that they were
able to get away with not doing anything stupid.
And my sort of opinion, like this, because
in the speeches between Bashir and, and Cisco,
it sort of, it kind of sets up this, what
would probably be the central thesis of these
deep space nine of like, if push comes to shove, if we're, if we're pushed into the
Oh yeah.
I loved that.
That's something that I had at the time you don't realize like you're like, Oh no,
this is coming.
Yeah.
This is absolutely going to happen.
Foreshadowing of like everything that comes like
with the Dominion war coming up and all of that.
It's really setting that up.
And like, this is sort of the turning point of the series.
Yeah.
In a way where it turns into the show that
it became us during the Dominion war years.
And it's, it's, and like, um, even
Alexander Sittig has said, like, this was the first
episode where Bashir got to be, you know, something more than Dr. Twink.
Just like, he, he, he was actually, you know,
able to be competent, actually able to, you know,
he has a fight scene.
Yeah.
He punches people and like he's, he's
allowed to be this sort of more forceful character
rather than just, you know, hitting on decks
or, or being chased around the station by Gary.
In some sort of weird space carry on movie.
I'd watch that.
So would I.
We've been not hypothesizing, but hoping that the section 31 special
Oh, yeah.
He's actually a setup for a new limited
series where Bashir and Garak team up to destroy
section 31, just like a buddy cop, you know, undercover thing.
Just like the, I just, the two of them mini series, destroy section 31, bring it.
Like Andrew Robertson and, and they did
the, um, together alone or something over, over
COVID they, they did like a short series of
them as the characters and sort of advancing
their story a bit, which was, which was.
So it seems like they'd be keen to come back in
an official capacity and I'd be keen to watch.
Yeah, I would watch it.
Absolutely.
Oh my God.
That would be so much fun.
But yeah, I, I was kind of, I didn't realize
the second episode was directed by Jonathan Frank.
Like I was like, Oh, I don't remember this one having that much action in it.
Cause these episodes usually, uh, quite
over the top and then the action scenes are,
you know, rudimentary at best.
Affordable, I think is the word you look like.
Budget conscious.
I think I never tweaked on that.
Cause like, I'm only watching them back to back.
So like, yeah, we get to the second one.
I'm just like, skip credits, skip credits, skip credits.
Just like, yeah, I don't want to watch the titles.
I'm still, I'm still in the middle of this.
So I don't see, sorry, speaking of action, sorry, this just popped into my head.
The guy who plays Gabriel Bell was, was, um, Avery Brooks as a stunt double.
Oh, wow.
So in the action scenes, like you see, like he
is, so this is not the first episode he's been in.
It wasn't the last, like he's in it like a
bunch as the stunt double for Avery Brooks.
Oh, that's cool.
I love that.
That's awesome.
So he got like, you know, a little, almost speaking role.
Does he speak?
Yeah, he does speak.
It's just like, I leave him alone.
You get paid more if you speak.
You do.
That's why the hippies don't talk.
Cause like, I'm going to pay them.
One of them says far out, man, or something.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Like that could have been ADR though.
Yeah.
He might have been already on contract.
He's just the hippie.
He just walks through every set until someone needs a hippie on the screen.
He's just like doing laps around the street.
He comes as part of the deal at the Paramount lot.
You know what I should have done is got Ed Begley Jr.
Oh my God.
As the hippie, because he was the hippie in future's end.
I weirdly, when, when Dax got rescued, I'm like, did she get rescued by Ed Begley?
And then he travels in time.
Is that this one?
And then I'm like, oh no, it's a different guy.
Just conflate.
Pretty much just rich media mogul ones evil ones.
Kind of good.
Like it's just like maybe their brothers, their brothers.
It's like after, after, you know, what's he,
I'd been clean.
Junior's characters fucked off and exploded into the whatever.
His brother took over the business and made it a media.
Yeah.
There you go.
Let's go with that.
Media or internet technology.
Same thing.
Same.
That's cannon.
Now.
You can't declare things.
We do it all the time.
That's what we've made so many things.
It's, it's, it's mainly to piss off the cannon.
My God.
The people that are just obsessed with cannons.
I love people who are obsessed with cannons.
Yeah.
It used to be me.
Like, like, I have just a whole bunch of stupid trivia in my brain.
Yeah.
And so like, when I'd see something that contradicts, that's not right.
It's much more fun to not do that.
Well, let's get storytelling.
You know, as a storyteller, you go, oh, this
would actually fit better, but it's boring.
This makes more sense.
But fuck it.
Yeah.
I've always wanted to do, although someone's now
written a book, I always wanted to do a podcast
about the things in Judge Dredd that became true.
Yeah.
So many of them have, but there's a really
great, almost like, uh, it reads like a scholarly text
about all of the things that have been
successfully predicted by Judge Dredd as a satirical thing
that were then, that then became not satirical anymore.
Yeah.
Which is terrifying.
This is the problem with living in the parody universe.
It's not like, I thought we were just going
to get like every song by Weird Al Yankovic,
but no, it's like the onions are real headlines now.
Yeah.
I'm ready for the video Judge Dredd where
they put the smokers in a transparent box though.
We are nearly there.
Not nearly enough.
You've turned into that 50 year old.
Yeah.
Speaking of your fury here in these, these episodes, um, I'm the guy that comes up
behind you and presses the button at the stopping at the line.
We found him.
I'm the guy and I never used to be until I
moved to Sydney where no one presses the button.
Yeah.
Oh.
And they are not automatic.
And I've been at the lights at Anzac parade,
which is like 12 lanes of traffic waiting to
cross the road to go to the park.
And there's like 30 people on bicycles on the other side of the road.
So I'm like, well, someone's pressed it.
I don't need to.
And no one's pressed it.
Oh my God.
30 people.
No one's pressed it.
Shortly after recording that, I was like,
he and I were just walking down the street.
It literally happened.
I'm just standing next to the site and somebody did it to me.
He just like reached past me and pressed the button.
I do it all the time.
I will invade your personal space because I
don't trust you to have pressed the button.
I do not trust you.
Maybe they just looked at each other and just cracked up.
The guy who pressed the button just
probably just going, what the fuck is happening?
Why are they laughing at me for pressing the button?
Is this a trick button?
This button doesn't work.
And I will hammer it.
I'll be like, like, I'm like, I'm playing an Atari 2600.
I'm playing the Olympics game.
I shouldn't have done that to the table, but yes.
That's fine.
So yes.
That's me.
I'm the guy.
I'm the problem.
Thank you so much.
Get out.
Okay. Thanks for having me.
Thanks for being on.
Adam Richard ladies and Ninja.
He's gone.
No, it's um, sorry.
There were a couple of things I wanted to call out.
I think we did.
And I think we actually even mentioned this on a previous episode,
but I don't know if we edited it in or
not, but it's the, I really do appreciate that
their dystopian vision here of how the homeless would be mistreated
is actually better than the reality of what's happening currently.
It was like giving over a district of houses to
people to just go into is better than bulldozing
their tents and going, it's illegal.
Well, there's a legal to sleep here anywhere.
Yeah.
Cause they go elsewhere.
Their vision was somewhat like the, um, Hooverville kind of idea from,
you know, during the great depression, but what they kind of built was not
unlike hamster dam from the wire.
I don't know if you've ever seen it, but there's, but yeah, hamster dam was like a
whole, like that was terrifying.
Apparently like when this episode came out, like that same week.
So this episode was made and it was scheduled
to come out that same week in San Francisco.
They were talking about making a district that
they called a sanctuary for the homeless people.
And like people were obviously against it and
they were opposed to it and that sort of thing.
And then this episode came out and, and like, Ira Stephen-Bares was, um,
lamenting that it didn't get as much publicity as it should have.
Like this episode, because, you know, this is actually a real issue that was
legitimately happening at the time that the episode was released.
Yeah.
And like, obviously it didn't go down that path.
Like it didn't, but it's almost like, you
know, that, you know, by creating it, they had
essentially cut that idea off with the needs.
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah.
It's pretty much it.
Like there was a very real possibility at
one stage that they were going to introduce
a sanctuary district for all the homeless
people just to get them out of sight, out of mind.
And they didn't do it, but now they're sort of doing it again.
Yeah.
I mean, that's one of those things that comes around all the time.
Yeah.
As a landlord.
Like in my, what's the, what's the, in my science
fiction story, I created the torment nexus as a,
as a, as a, as a metaphor.
And it's like, well, we finally created the
torment nexus from the, from the famous short
story. Don't create the torment nexus. Thank you.
It's like when big brother first came on, it's
like, you know, that was meant to be a bad thing.
The constant surveillance was meant to be a bad thing.
It's not 1984.
No, that sounds like a good idea.
Let's do that.
Well, that was the one from the, that was
the year we got that funny little Macintosh.
Yeah.
Everyone loves Mac and talk.
Everyone loves big brother from, from 1984.
Next, they'll start introducing the eye things from clockwork orange.
So you can watch shows all night.
That's the Apple vision pro.
That's only there to make sure you don't skip the ads.
Yeah.
That's why they keep your eyes open with the sticks.
If you're going to invent anything from sci-fi, just invent the happy pills from,
what is it? Brave world.
They did invent those. They're called selective serotonin reuptake.
You just don't get very happy.
Yeah.
You don't get very depressed, but you don't get very happy.
Stay in the middle.
It's like the pendulum of the comedy.
That was just hold your pendulum still.
No, moving the pendulum, the pendulum stays put.
That's why if you drink a lot on those,
you like never, like people can tend to over
indulge in alcohol because they're chasing a high
that never comes because that top's been cut off
to stop the bottom happening.
Yeah.
But it means your hangovers are only half as bad.
That was what Villa had in Blake's seven.
That was his cocktail adrenaline.
It was a 50 50 cocktail adrenaline and soma.
Yes.
He was freebasing.
Is that what you're saying?
Upers and downers in the one.
Villa knew the score.
Yeah, totally.
That wasn't like, that's another thing about this, this sanctuary district.
There were no drug problems.
There were no, you know, there was, there was crime.
There was obviously theft happening and, and people were being bashed up,
but it was just like, oh yeah, these are just ordinary people.
There seem to be working plumbing.
Yeah.
It was just, yeah, much more sort of utopian than current 2024.
It's like a Star Trek is a utopian dystopia.
No, it's, it's not, it's seriously, it's not
like, you know, the sanctuary district is not unlike
during the pandemic when they went, oh no, we'll
just lock some people in the housing commission.
That, that drove me insane.
The whole, you've got like, if you want to
cross the border, we'll give you a week, but
unless you're poor, if you're poor, we're going to surround you by cops.
Yes.
Until we build the wall.
Until we build the wall. Yeah. Like that's, and like they had that family that was,
that came back to Brighton and they were all
infected and they didn't surround that house.
It would have taken less, less cops.
You were, yeah.
But it turns out they were white and rich, so it's okay for them.
But no, like just one person in a bloody public housing block had COVID.
So I was like, not surrounded by cops.
And we're going to, we'll deliver your food,
but it's all going to be pork because, you know,
we're offensive.
Because we're offensive.
Like, I don't want to be a dictator, Dan this, but like that.
I never hated the man, but I didn't fucking like him much.
No, not then.
No, you can, you can absolutely criticise
him without inventing things to criticise him.
Oh yeah.
It was so easy.
There was bulldozing the trees, like the sacred trees that were,
Oh yeah.
I mean, Vic Forrest got taken to.
To court over there.
To go for a baby.
But yeah, like that.
Again, another thing from past tense was when
Cisco's gone, I'll let him talk because he looks
like the guy next door.
It's like, and without saying, because he's the
white one and old young people, no one wants to
hear from you.
He's the, he's the white man.
He's this family man and he's, you know, not a lunatic with a hat on.
Yeah.
Like the whole hat discourse was a lot.
Yeah.
Like this or like that.
And then he gives the hat to the kid and the kids.
Thanks.
One thing I had not thought about in, you
know, I've watched this episode a few times
over the last decades.
I'd never thought about it until I watched,
I watched episode one on a plane and episode
two on a train.
Um, and I had not contemplated the title
that it's called past tense because it's a very
tense situation.
It's tense time in the past.
Yes.
I hadn't thought of that before.
It was just, oh yeah, it's a past one.
Thank you for this.
So quick.
Cause the one of the things I like was
looking at, like it wasn't sure, like, well, with
bringing, with bringing out was like the, um,
one of the notes in the trivia notes was like a
working title of the episode was cold and distant stars.
I'm like, oh yeah.
That the, the original, the original script
just had like Cisco going back in the past
and becoming homeless and they sort of retooled the script.
Yeah.
What it became.
Yeah.
Cause he, yeah, he was originally Cisco going back in time, being homeless, um,
claiming he's actually from the future and the commander of a space station.
So they lock him up and it's basically 12 monkeys.
All that Buffy episode where she's saying.
Well, that's kind of recycled in that
episode where like he's the, the sci-fi writer.
Yeah.
Like, I think it was much more effectively done that way.
Yeah.
Like it wouldn't have worked as well.
Like, I mean, again, like not a perfect episode, but like, this is probably one of
the best deep space nine episodes.
Also you get some like Avery Brooks sometimes seems to not have turned up,
but he really turns up in this episode.
He's like, you know, I'm going to play a couple of these scenes.
Well, you give him something to work with.
It's not just like, yeah, space men telling
people what to do and shouting fire the photon
to put it out.
Yeah.
I think that's what it was at the start.
And that's why he was so sort of checked out.
Then he actually sort of started to get some.
Oh, we're actually telling some stories in this.
Yeah.
Actually, you know, getting him some meat
on the bone to, you know, tell these stories
like with Eddie, like he's pursued of
Eddington and the whole, I can live with it a bit like
with Dominion wall.
Yeah.
That is a spectacular episode.
Amazing.
Yeah.
No, like I was just thinking that was the last thing I really wanted to mention.
That was like, yeah, that was the alternate
thing because there was always a homelessness
episode.
Yeah.
Because it was a huge deal.
Like, you know, we, yeah, I mean, it still is, but like then it kind of,
you know, I guess we didn't realize at the time,
but you know, it was the start of that horrific
neoliberalism thing where governments are
starting to become less and less effective
in the face of corporate interests, just taking
over and everything in our world now seems to be,
well, is it good for business?
Yeah.
And looking after people seems to not be good for business.
So let's not do it.
And that apathy of just like not caring that this is affecting real people.
Yeah.
Like these are human beings that we're just like.
Well, one of my favourite jokes from work this
week was we have a contestant on Hard Quiz whose
topic is Australian decimal coins.
And Tom asks if at the top of the show he goes,
so what you're talking about are those things that
baby boomers pretend not to have when they walk past the homeless.
That's a very good joke.
I've actually thought and worried about that
though, because there is less change around
there. Like people ask me for change is like.
The big issue man's got a square thing that you can tap now.
I mean, I legitimately have not had a coin in my pocket for about three years.
I don't think I have a cent on me.
No.
Not even notes. I don't think I've got anything at all on me right now.
It is. It is. Yeah. It must be a huge problem.
Like for people that have subsisted on that
kind of me get income to now have nothing.
And I mean, I guess that's what they're showing the sanctuary district.
Everyone's got those stupid little cars, the credit chips, or the food,
the little flimsy bit of plastic that gets them their breakfast,
their terrible breakfast with no cutlery and no napkins.
But I mean, if they stop the cutlet, if they stop the food service,
once they're all behind the wall, who's going to see what happens?
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's yeah, it's it is. It is a horrible dystopia that we are living.
Yeah.
Come on man, Nate. That's a lovely one.
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Next episode is going to be first contact, isn't it?
No, next episode is Strange New World Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Yes.
First Strange New World episode.
That's exciting. That's a great one.
It is.
I really enjoyed that.
That's a great one to get into.
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We're living in the bad version.
Because at least, you know, with the Bell riots,
everything sort of turned around after that.
I'm not sure what's going to get this to turn around.
Well, no, no, no.
We still, I mean, the Star Trek time and timeline, it didn't quite turn around.
I mean, we still got World War Three to look for.
Yeah.
Maybe that's it.
We just need to start a nuclear war and then everything will be okay.
We need to start a nuclear war and then figure
out how warp drives work and meet some Vulcans.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyway, when we have World War Three, my partner's Chinese, so I'm fine.
Oh, they'll know that you're one of the good ones.
I'm taking his name when we get married.